Slovenian position on Macedonia and Croatia

[Risto the Great]

Totally agree Prolet.
I hope we have pride for more than just our wine. It would be great if the Macedonian government gets behind the wine industry on this one. Strangely, if they lose, it may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Which may well be a good thing too.

[Prolet]

Risto, There's been discussions about the Macedonian Wine in Brussels.

http://sitel.com.mk/video/biznis/sredba-vo-brisel-za-problemot-so-makedonskoto-vino

[Ljubanec]

Its interesting to see a lot of people are upset with the Slovenes, however hardly a mentioned of the Germans. Anyone here would like to suggest we stop importing German products? To me it hurts more coming from Germany because they are the E.U. they have the power to make this disappear........ those damn goose stepping teutons!

[Prolet]

Agriculture Minister Ljupco Dimovski is saying that everything should be fine next year.

He is saying that this year 67 million liters of wine was sold on the EU market which is 20 million liters more then last year.

http://sitel.com.mk/video/biznis/dimovski-vo-sledniot-period-ne-bi-trebalo-da-ima-nikakvi-prechki-okolu-izvozot-na-maked

[Bill77]

Agriculture Minister Ljupco Dimovski is saying that everything should be fine next year.

He is saying that this year 67 million liters of wine was sold on the EU market which is 20 million liters more then last year.

http://sitel.com.mk/video/biznis/dim...vozot-na-maked

OBSTACLES IN EXPORTING MACEDONIAN WINE SHOULD BE LIFTED SOON - AGRICULTURE MINISTER

Skopje, 12 December 2010 (MIA) - Minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Water Management Ljupco Dimovski said the issue involving the ban to export Macedonian bottled wine with a label for geographical origin should be settled with Brussels, not with Greece.

This should be done by reviewing the Stabilisation and Association Agreement, the Wine Protocol and Macedonia's essential rights to use the term "Macedonia".

"The issue is due to be settled and there should be no obstacles in exporting Macedonian wine," Minister Dimovski said.

The issue with the export of Macedonian bottled wine on foreign markets with labels for geographical origin occurred when the region "Macedonia" was registered in the catalog of EU wine regions by Greece.

Macedonia between 1 January and 15 November 2010 exported 67 million liters of wine - an increase by 23 million than last year.

"It comes as a result of Ministry's efforts to find new markets and to return Macedonian wines on traditional markets," Dimovski said.

http://www.idividi.com.mk/English/Macedonia/647589/index.html

It does not go into detail regarding this settlement. Are they going to change geographical origin on the label to something else? then i would not call that a settlement. It would be yet again, another act of capitulation. I hope i am wrong, but until there is more detail, i will speculate.

[Makedonetz]

Bencina: If Skopje and Athens agree, EU will help on name issue

Skopje, 11 January 2011 (MIA) – The European Union supports talks led under UN auspices in finding solution to Greek-Macedonian name dispute which is a condition for opening accession talks with Macedonia and possible EU inclusion in this process is possible if both parties agree on this, Dragoljuba Bencina, state secretary in the Slovenian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said in the interview with MIA.

- The EU many times has emphasised the support for the negotiations led under UN auspices. It is a fact the EU member states are also UN members and they all approve the frameworks for finding a solution. However, EU can undertake more active inclusion, if two involved parties agree on this. In any case, the meeting with the UN mediator Matthew Nimetz is scheduled for next month and we expect progress in real direction, which will lead to finding a solution. Slovenia will support any solution, which would be mutually acceptable and would lead to progress, Bencina said.

She is satisfied that Hungary is the current holder of the EU Presidency, fourth that the EU gave task to return on recommendations for Macedonia for start of the negotiations. She believes that Hungarians will do everything to help in this direction.

- We are satisfied that the current holder of the EU presidency is our neighbour Hungary, country with certain sensitivity towards the Western Balkans. I believe that our colleagues in Budapest will prepare an active agenda and will make everything to carry out until the end of June. They will have our full support in the efforts towards the Western Balkans, especially Macedonia, Bencina said.

In expectancy of the date for start of negotiations, Macedonia, which met criteria for opening accession talks, should focus on implementation of the European legislation, she underlined.

- Speaking from our experience the implementation of legislation, which is harmonised with the EU legislation represents an exceptional challenges. As you will experience later during the negotiations, the internal cohesion in the country i.e. the cohesion in the society and among the political subjects will define the dynamics of the negotiations. Good experience in being part of EU family is the ability for absorbing the IPA funds and implementation of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement. Efforts should be made in further promotion of regional cooperation and good-neighbourly relations, Bencina said.

Asked which are the best practices and experiences of Slovenia that can be applicable in the Macedonia EU integration, she answered that it is cohesion on social and political plan.

- Slovenia was lucky to had firm support both for its independence and referendum for EU membership. The euro was also accepted by the citizens from the very beginning of its introduction. That’s why we believe that the cohesion support for larger political projects in the society is of essential importance. Macedonian citizens in vast number have already support integration in the EU. Such support should be maintained in the future and we hope that their expectations will be fulfilled as soon as possible. Slovenia will continue to provide support to Macedonia on its road to EU and NATO, Bencina said in the interview with MIA. sk/fd/10:43

Coming from Slovenia who boycotted our products and they have the bullocks to stick their nose in MK affairs.

This line cracked me up.........

Cohesion in the society and among the political subjects will define the dynamics of the negotiations

[Frank]

If Slovenians were asked to change the name of thier Country and have wide open a negotiation about their Language and Identity would they, off course not.

[Soldier of Macedon]

From an ally and seemingly close friend, to a complete back-flip. As a Macedonian, Slovenia is fast becoming a country I detest, which is unfortunate because I have always like the place and its people.

[Makedonetz]

Makes you think who has the gun pointed in the back of Slovenia.They should be our ally seeing their language stems from our Kiril ej Methodije.

[Pelister]

The great irony is why 'support' talks led by a U.N mediator.

The Macedonian government can have its name overturned at the U.N anytime it wants to. Unless the U.N changes its laws anytime soon, the U.N has an obligation in law to admit the Macedonians by their constutional name.

Its as though the wool has been pulled over everyone's eyes by Gruevski and Co.

[Makedonetz]

Thats right Nimietz is againts us.But cleary he is persueded by the UN and greek propaganda. Who appointed Nimietz to negotiate our future anyways?

[julie]

The great irony is why 'support' talks led by a U.N mediator.

The Macedonian government can have its name overturned at the U.N anytime it wants to. Unless the U.N changes its laws anytime soon, the U.N has an obligation in law to admit the Macedonians by their constutional name.

Its as though the wool has been pulled over everyone's eyes by Gruevski and Co.

Macedonians have been brainwashed and fed lies and bullsgit enough by the UN and Gruevski. He has the power to say NO, and use their clauses against them in crying discrimination!!!!


MACEDONIA AND MACEDONIANS GLOBALLY SAY NO TO NEGOTIATIONS, WE ARE NOT FOR SALE

[Big Bad Sven]

Makes you think who has the gun pointed in the back of Slovenia.They should be our ally seeing their language stems from our Kiril ej Methodije.

You cant keep making excuses for the Slovene's.

Look at other eastern european countries like Slovakia who stands up to the EU and does not recognize kosovo or agree to give money to grk aid. And slovakia is a small country like Slovenia and was actually in far worse shape then slovenia.

If they were true allies of macedonia then they would help, since joining the EU they have become loyal german ass lickers and snooty "western europeans"

[fyrOM]

Right said BBS.
Fair weather friends are not friends at all. Like the old saying goes you know who your true friends are when you are down.

[Serdarot]

... since joining the EU they have become loyal german ass lickers and snooty "western europeans"

hehe, well, zrinski might hate me couse of the following, but hey, it is my opinion :P

i used to live in Slovenia few years. they are very frustrated nation. they count like the germans, so they dont say the big number first, but the small.

example:

45 is not

chetirieset i pet

it is

pet en shtirideset

and if you say to them that they are also a Balkan Nation, you might find yourself in very funny argue, couse they will pull out some unbeliveable funny (and stupid) arguments :P

they are insulted somehow, and i dont understand that, dont understand why (they ARE on the Balkans)

but we (somehow) should try to understand them, couse like we live(d) under "greek", vulgar and servian presure, they live(d) under austro-ungarian and italian presure.

yet, they are prooving that they are very good SCLAVI (servants, slaves) to the germans, and i think the next generations will have much to pay for the slave mentality that nowadays Slovenians care in them.

the "western europe" does not know friendship, but interest(s).

couse (i believe) we have lots of blood and cultural connections, we threat them like "our people", (nashi lugje)

but as soon as "europe" dont need them anymore, they will be "thrown away", and later will be hard for them to proove to the next generations of Macedonians and other Balkan Nations, that we are "Slovenski Brakja"

concidering the "Bencina" and the news from this topic - scr3w her, scr3w them, scr3w every1 who "friendly" tells us we should change our name.

we realy dont need such "friends"...