Macedonian Orthodox Church - News & Updates

[George S.]

Who cares what the serbs think do we need their approval to live & breathe.The macedonian church was a mother church to many churches.If they are going to behave ridiculously well we deseve the neighbours we get.

[Risto the Great]

"... the Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church is obliged not to recognize the MOC and the Initiative Board because they are invented - Macedonian nation, Macedonian alphabet, Macedonian literature, to definately seal the separation of the SOC and the creation of an independent Orthodox Church MOC that would be part of those fictional works .. "

And Petar actively wanted to join with the SOC.
It can be understood there is only one Macedonian church in Australia .... the one not under Petar.

[Bill77]

Can we have our member Komita comment on this.

[Bratot]

Who cares what the serbs think do we need their approval to live & breathe.The macedonian church was a mother church to many churches.If they are going to behave ridiculously well we deseve the neighbours we get.

And Petar actively wanted to join with the SOC.
It can be understood there is only one Macedonian church in Australia .... the one not under Petar.

We are not discussing about any approval, we need to clean our back yard from Serbian agents.

It is hard to believe the name of Petar is a coincidence and unfortunatelly, we have to teach each other history, our own, because we still don't know good enough our enemies.

[fyrOM]

There is no need for recognition of any other church for the Macedonian church to exist. We don’t recognise you we don’t care.

[julie]

Then why is Petar today still fighting to have MOC join under the auspices of the SOC. Fuck the Serbs and Petar should be defrocked or go and be a serb priest. I think it was in 1969 the MOC was avtokefalna, autocephalas , and an independently recognised church within its own right. Not only is Petar advocating the demise of the MOC by joining under the SOC, he has divided communities and families in Australia with his money grabbing and accumulation of wealth and assets of the backs of our parents and grandparents here who built the churches with their own funds, so as to be able to worship in MOC. Defrock him, get rid of him, he has not done anything here to promote unity, rather the contrary.

[Big Bad Sven]

Russian Church opinion on Bulgarian "history" and "culture"

Thanking Russian Patriarch Kirill for Recognizing Bulgaria.

Novinite.com
Ivan Dikov
Sofia Speaking | May 1, 2012, Tuesday| 732 views

The visit of Russian Patriarch Kirill to Bulgaria has enjoyed surprisingly high public interest.

However, the first visit in recent times of the head of the Russian Orthodox Church to Bulgaria is especially remarkable for another reason: His Holiness Patriarch Kirill made an explicit recognition of what is one of the most important achievements of the Bulgarian nation in global history, namely:

Bulgaria's role in spreading and promoting the Greco-Roman Christian civilization across a huge swath of the Eurasian continent by developing a distinct Bulgarian-Slavic (Western authors style it Greco-Slavic) culture based on Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the Slavic language, and the Cyrillic alphabet.

All the academic and practical disputes about the "Easternness" of the Slavic nations in Eastern Europe (Russia included) aside, the fact of the matter is that it was the work of the Bulgarian scholars and monks (themselves having just learned from Byzantium's cultural, religious, and academic tradition) that brought large parts of Eurasia into the European civilization some 11 centuries ago, with Bulgaria serving as the cultural Piedmont of the Eastern and Southern Slavic nations.

During his meeting with the Bulgarian President, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church stressed the fact that Bulgaria and Russia share a common religious and cultural heritage as Eastern Orthodox, Slavic nations using the Cyrillic script, which was developed in the 9th century in the First Bulgarian Empire (681-1018 AD).

"The work of the holy brothers, St. Cyril and St. Methodius, laid the foundations for the cultural identity of the Bulgarian, Russian, and other Slavic nations, and the first missionaries in Russia, who brought the new Christian values, were the Bulgarian priests," the Russian Patriarch stated, referring to the key role that Bulgarian clergymen played in the Christianization of Kievan Rus, the first Russian state in the Middle Ages, in the 10th and 11th century.

It was in Bulgaria in the late 9th century that St. Naum of Preslav and St. Kliment of Ohrid, the Bulgarian disciples of St. Cyril and St. Methodius – the authors of the original Slavic alphabet called "Glagolitic" – created a new Slavic alphabet that was called "Cyrillic" in honor of their teacher St. Cyril.

The common history of the Bulgarian and Russian churches goes further as, between the 10th and 18th centuries a total of eight Bulgarian clergymen held top positions in the Russian Orthodox Church, such as Cyprian the Bulgarian, Bishop of Moscow in 1379-1406 AD, and Gregory Tsamblak, Bishop of Kiev in 1413-1420 AD. Apparently, up until the late Middle Ages, the Slavic languages in Europe were so interchangeable that the respective nations could freely borrow one another's educated men.

Patriarch Kirill further declared in Sofia that these cultural and spiritual ties have survived throughout the ages, and motivated the heroism of the Russian soldiers in the Russian-Turkish War of 1877-78, in which the Russian Empire liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman Turkish Empire.

The recognition of Bulgaria's role in the creation of the Eastern Orthodox-Slavic culture might not seem to be as big a deal in the age of post-9/11, post-2008 globalization as it was in the late 19th century Pan-Slavic movement, or the 20th-century Eastern Bloc dominated by (Soviet) Russia. It might not seem particularly impressive for the Western public which often views Russia as an ill-fated autocracy, or for the rising non-Western powers for which the Slavic culture stuff was some regional European matter way too long ago.

But Russian Patriarch Kirill's recognition of Bulgaria's civilizational role in international history is still very important. For one thing, it is about the story of great, brave men who ventured the creation of an entirely new culture (though a part of the Western civilization) from scratch, eventually reaching much of the Eurasian continent led by the word of the Christian God recorded in the Cyrillic-Slavic script.

For another, Bulgaria hardly ever gets some positive international recognition by anybody. Even the Bulgarians' cousins, the Russians, being the citizens of a great power, are generally reluctant to acknowledge the significance of the once powerful Bulgarian empire, today a minor Balkan state, for their history, culture, and identity. So thank you, Your Holiness Patriarch Kirill, for bringing that up.

[Big Bad Sven]

I think the priests in the ROC need to go back to school, or get their heads out of bulgarian asses.

St. Cyril and St. Methodius, St. Naum of Preslav and St. Kliment of Ohrid, were all of macedonian blood. Not of bulgar/tartar/slavo blood

[Soldier of Macedon]

Aside from their apparent Asian Bulgar forefathers, do the modern Bulgarians have anybody of note in their history that actually came from Bulgaria (Moesia) instead of those they 'claim' from Macedonia and Thrace?

[DraganOfStip]

Don't know if I've posted this before,but here's the overview of BULGARIAN professor Plamen Cvetkov about the origins of Bulgarian people.He also in his extensive research confirms that the turko-mongoloid tribe Bulgars consist the core of the modern Bulgarian nation:

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/25Bulgars/BulgarsAndBulgariansEn.htm

[Risto the Great]

Where are the Russia lovers?
While Kiril & Metodi of Macedonia were defining the dominant language group of Europe, the turko-mongoloid Bulgars were still learning their new language.

[Big Bad Sven]

Where are the Russia lovers?
While Kiril & Metodi of Macedonia were defining the dominant language group of Europe, the turko-mongoloid Bulgars were still learning their new language.

I do feel sorry for the macedonians out there that put religion first and their nationality second. It must suck to know that your church, and the "leaders" of the orthodox world dont respect you or your history.

I also feel sorry for the grks though, dont they claim Cyril and Methodious as their own? They would have spat out their turkish coffee when hearing the opinions from the Russian Church lol

[Brian]

Where are the Russia lovers?
While Kiril & Metodi of Macedonia were defining the dominant language group of Europe, the turko-mongoloid Bulgars were still learning their new language.

It's a 'shot across the bow' - where religious opinion treads political opinion immediately follows because politics marches religion to do what is considered unseemly for politics to do.

[Brian]

I also feel sorry (?) for the grks though, dont they claim Cyril and Methodious as their own? They would have spat out their turkish coffee when hearing the opinions from the Russian Church lol

I know, it wasn't long ago the Russians were saying they were Greek, but the Slav bit got their lie stuck in their throats so now they're Bulgarian.

If Russia liked Macedonia they repeatedly had more than enough of a chance to help from at least 1912 onwards.

[ProMKD]

Religion involves more politics than anyone could imagine - what an embarassment to God.