Macedonian 'Spy' Row Judge Demands Public Hearing

[Risto the Great]

http://www.eurasiareview.com/201009278564/macedonian-spy-row-judge-demands-public-hearing.html

A judge from Macedonia�s Constitutional Court accused of being an informant for the former Yugoslav secret services has demanded the right to protest his innocence at a public hearing.

The judge's comments on Monday came after the country's Lustration Commission, designed to remove former communist-era informants from holding public office, last week confronted him with a secret service report it said provided evidence he was an informant during the Socialist Yugoslav period.

Officials from the Constitutional Court told the Lustration Commission the judge, whose identity cannot legally by law, wanted a public hearing on his case, despite the fact its sessions are closed.

Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski said on Sunday the lustration investigation put into question the credibility and legitimacy of recent rulings made by the Constitutional Court.

�Doubts about the functioning of the Constitutional Court for reaching controversial rulings are now becoming clearer�, Gruevski stated.

He blamed the opposition Social Democrats for �appointing members who lack professionalism".

Gruevski's anger with the Constitutional Court started last year after it annulled several of the governments� key policies including those aimed at giving child benefits to parents in regions with low birth rates, the introduction of religious classes in primary schools and plans for revamping the capital under the Skopje 2014 project.

He has been blaming the opposition Social Democrats for instructing the Court�s decisions.

The case has sparked further debate over the lustration process in Macedonia which has been dogged by controversy since its launch.

Macedonia is following in the steps of many former communist and socialist states which have enacted similar laws in order to address past injustices stemming from politically motivated judicial proceedings.

Officials and judges found to be former informants are forced to withdraw from office, but their names are not allowed to be publicly disclosed.

Why can't we just have a public stoning?

[Prolet]

Wait till they get to the bottom of this Risto, you'll be very surprised. This is not even the tip of the iceberg.

Its not just UDBA its the neighboring countries aswell, practically Bulgaria and Greece.

Here is what Ilija Dimovski had to say about this matter.

YouTube - Изјава на Илија Димовски (27.09.2010)

[Risto the Great]

Wait till they get to the bottom of this Risto, you'll be very surprised. This is not even the tip of the iceberg.

Its not just UDBA its the neighboring countries aswell, practically Bulgaria and Greece.

In effect, what you are saying is that Macedonia is being held hostage by Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia. I see nothing has changed.

I hope every one of these miserable sellouts is flushed from the system.

[Prolet]

Risto, UDBA was more Yugoslavia and it was our people who worked for them. Who do you think exiled Chento and jailed our people? Many were sent to Goli Otok too.

All we need to look at is who hounded Risto Shishkov for all those years? His son Vasil, under the new laws which allow family members to look at the dossiers, took out a 600 page report and went public with it, the next day he was bashed with baseball bats and tupajnci.

http://www.netpress.com.mk/vest.asp?id=56219&kategorija=3

Its not about us being held hostage, its about our people working for our enemies. Hopefully this law can weed them out for all the damage they've caused to our country.

[fyrOM]

Spies in high places support each other and those in lesser position as their underlings who intern support them back like a wide web of lies. Dammed traitors.

Like I said in one thread arresting corrupt individuals it is not always easy to grab the lower individuals without going for the lot even when the lower individuals corruption is so obvious blind Freddy could see it.

This governments action are on a path which looks like they have the right intentions.

Good laws on treason with long jail terms are needed. When the traitors forget what daylight looks like they might realise the gravity of their actions.

Like you RTG I�m not against worse for these people like the odd accident happening in jail just not publicly.

[Bratot]

There are many things to be disputed in Macedonian politics.

Statistically every 4th Macedonian was collaborator of the Secret Service during the SFRJ era and the Macedonians were 2nd most exploited source of "state enemies" after the Croats.

There are still many many of those "inactive" agents holding high positions, the most dangerous ones were those among the Diaspora.

[fyrOM]

Every 4th kind of seems high. I didn�t thin Macedonians as a whole were that bright enough to have so many spies but the large number of greedy corrupt backstabbing rotten souls I have encountered one could joke that every 4th was maybe too low.

[Risto the Great]

There are still many many of those "inactive" agents holding high positions, the most dangerous ones were those among the Diaspora.

I can't agree Bratot. If the most dangerous ones were in the Diaspora, then you are suggesting the Diaspora has the most power over Macedonia. If this was the case, then Macedonia would not be in the position it is in right now.

[Risto the Great]

Every 4th kind of seems high. I didn�t thin Macedonians as a whole were that bright enough to have so many spies but the large number of greedy corrupt backstabbing rotten souls I have encountered one could joke that every 4th was maybe too low.

There is an article specifically about that statistic, I am sure Bratot will find it.

[Bratot]

I can't agree Bratot. If the most dangerous ones were in the Diaspora, then you are suggesting the Diaspora has the most power over Macedonia. If this was the case, then Macedonia would not be in the position it is in right now.

No Risto, I suggest that the activity of the Diaspora was labelled as anti-Yugoslavian (anti-state) because it was not a secret that Macedonian emmigration was the core of the Macedonian national ideology and declared autonomists.

Do I have to number all of those emmigrant organizations founded in Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Germany, Australia who were actively working for the Macedonian cause since the end of 19th century, I'm sure you know about all of these organizations that gave the most prominent Macedonian intelectuals.

All of these organizations and it's activist were constant target of UDBA agents.

Don't be surprised if this forum is also monitored by some structures and because of that I can give more informations but rather in a private chat.

If one day those files will be publically available than you will see how many physical executions were done on Macedonians from Diaspora.

[Risto the Great]

I understand what you mean now Bratot. It was not clear the first time.

[Bratot]

Every 4th kind of seems high. I didn’t thin Macedonians as a whole were that bright enough to have so many spies but the large number of greedy corrupt backstabbing rotten souls I have encountered one could joke that every 4th was maybe too low.

There is an article specifically about that statistic, I am sure Bratot will find it.

I'm not sure what is surprising you OziMak?

Since the Serbian occupation that began in 1913 in Macedonia were stationed 7.000 gendarmeries of the whole 13.000 in SHS(Yugoslavia before 2WW) which is more than a half only on the territory of nowadays Macedonian.

I have to correct myself - it was every 5th Macedonian, instead of 4th.

The statistic is taken from the book : "Репресијата и репресираните во најновата македонска историја" by the historians Виолета Ачкоска and Никола Жежов.

Според првата и единствена официјална 'Информација за преземените мерки на органите на власта спрема државјани на Р. Македонија за кои во периодот 1945-1993 година се располагало со основани сомненија дека дејствувале за формирање самостојна и обединета Македонија', изработена од МВР во 1993 година, во периодот 1945-1985 година вкупно во Македонија биле откриени 105 илегални групи и организации со над 1200 припадници, чие дејствување било насочено кон отцепување на Македонија од заедницата на југословенските народи и создавање самостојна и обединета Македонија.
Од нив од слобода биле лишени 1.045 припадници на илегалните групи и организации, од кои 242 биле осудени на смрт или на временска казна до 15 години.

Во периодот од 1945 до 1980 година се одржале околу 700 политички процеси против членовите и припадниците на тајните организации и групи, на кои биле изречени стотици смртни пресуди и долгогодишни затворски казни.

За бројот на прогонуваните, затвораните и осудуваните лица со поинакви политички убедувања од постојниот комунистички режим доволно говорат 14000 политички досиеја што ги водела Службата за државна безбедност при МВР и 22000 затворски досиеја на затворените политички лица во затворот Идризово, или вкупно 36.000 досиеја. Тоа се политички досиеја на лица (од разни возрасти и професии - револуционери, интелектуалци, лекари, студенти, обични и полуписмени селани, лица во поодмината возраст и ученици-гимназисти, деца на 16 години), затворани, осудувани, прогонувани и стрелани во периодот 1945-1985 година од новата македонска комунистичка власт само затоа што се бореле за независна Република Македонија и за идеалите на ВМРО.
Според неофицијални податоци, во периодот 1949-1951 биле затворени 7.330 средношколци, а само во затворот 'Идризово' биле затворени 2500 политички затвореници.

http://star.utrinski.com.mk/?pBroj=1995&stID=61450&pR=7

and

http://www.vreme.com.mk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1&EditionID=639&ArticleID=39412

Books:

'Судени за Македонија' - Стојан Ристески

- 'Политичкиот затвореника за Македонија' - Илија Максимовски

- 'Македонија во комунистичкиот триаголник' - Ставре Џиков

[Prolet]

If one day those files will be publically available than you will see how many physical executions were done on Macedonians from Diaspora.

Totally agree Bratot, if they dig deep enough heads will begin to roll. The Vasil Siskov incident is more then enough proof for that.

Unless they got rid of all the evidence and dossiers from DBK,MVR the information would be available to everybody under the freedom of information act, the government will surly have at least some sort of information about who was in on it.

[fyrOM]

Constitutional judges Trendafil IVANOVSKI accused of abuse of lustration

This is castration!

http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=7DFF5B26C815254BA47204A224A7A8E0

The conclusion of the Commission on lustration that a collaborator of the secret services and is kodoshel zlopupotreba of lustration and castration of a healthy mind, said President of the Constitutional Court Trendafil Ivanovski

President of the Constitutional Court Trendafil Ivanovski categorically rejected the conclusion of the Commission on lustration as outrageous and completely false. According to the conclusion, he was a collaborator of the secret services and kodoshel. "The way they are handled in this particular case, not only does not perform lustration in Macedonia, but castration is performed on a healthy mind", said Ivanovski told reporters.
"My cheek is clean and does not intend to retreat from his position because I have not done anything," said Ivanovski, after the public presentation of his protivargumenti.
According to President of the Constitutional Court, it is a file created in 1964, stating the official action which time the old socialist regime have taken against him as a juvenile which, he said, then $ zameril to the then state.
"A noble supporting role in the life of a child - student, young, fully formed person, face persecution for their ideas on the distinctiveness of the Macedonian people and its statehood, abused and turned into a political lynching of such person," said Ivanovski told members of Commission.
He argues that the system was then defined as a participant in mladonacionalistichka Organization for liberation. The organization was destroyed, and immediately began the period with the monitoring, interrogation, prosecution by the physical and mental abuse, with beating and detention. Ivanovski pointed out that in his file, priznanicite for the then received over 10,000 dinars on the 01/12/1965 and 20,000 dinars a year were planted 25/05/1965 and downright fraud made by the operating officer or upon the record. "Anyway, in the questionnaire that potpolnuval inspector standing conclusion that the person is not rewarding," says the constitutional judge.
Ivanovski claims to be a victim of the last system, but the current government, which lynch montiranoto to the earlier record.
President of the lustriranje Tome Adzhiev said archives and documents from the Archive of Macedonia and the Directorate for Security and Counter contrary to the claims of Ivanovski, but because it is a panel judge and justice that the person may be required before the Board and possibly Supreme Court.

[fyrOM]

Keep digging�oust everyone.

I have not been informant

http://www.idividi.com.mk/vesti/makedonija/629154/index.html

Skopje, September 28, 2010 (Reuters) - MP Boris Stojmenov today qualified as lies and manipulations of the information made public in the past that a collaborator with the secret security services during the period covered by the lustration law and noted that it placed in order to harm his reputation and his family.

- Is anyone kodosh or contributor shall be determined on the basis of verification of documents. From three months before the July 12 Certificate of Commission I that I was an associate of the state security services and that I can do my post member, said at a press conference at Parliament Stojmenov, attaching the certificate as proof.

He claims that his name is not in a single document in the context of cooperation with security services and announced that all charges for breaking the lustration law to publish information associated with it. Stojmenov promised to give power to anyone that is interested can check the documentation for it in the Commission for verification of the facts, the State Archives and as I said, if any, and state security services and intelligence. He urged other members to open their records, because he believes one can not be official, and to hide information about themselves.

Stojmenov MP also called on former Prime Minister Georgievski and his former fellow at a public debate to discuss a letter he sent recently to the current Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski. Georgievski from Gruevski letter urged enforcement of lustration, in the direction of doushnicite that alluded Stojmenov cited characteristics, including that as stated in the letter, "chief organizer when buying six MPs from the government of VMRO-DPMNE 2000 .

Commenting on such views Stojmenov stressed that the letter was not addressed to the Prime Minister but to him personally and that this is a political calculation.

- If asking for the MPs I ask where the deputies were there and I had a party then. It is a problem of multi. Then the leader of VMRO-True Zmejkovski was Boris. There were six members, but 24 of which 18 were in custody for two days by the then government. Ljupco Georgievski since I've changed from a minister no longer let me get to the party even though I was vice president, said Stojmenov and then added that the Assembly acted on the alleged detention of MPs.

Asked why the announcement of the characteristics of it as a possible contributor to the security services was at the State Archives, which was followed by the media entering this institution, Stojmenov replied that his aim was to ask that the procedure is concerned media to obtain the documentation for him that would prove that the published information is not accurate. Claims that the day when he was in the National Archives not to avoid reporters and he went out, he said, "normally the door."