John Bitove

[indigen]

Vo nasata kultura, ne se plukja na umrenite - bidite umni, i ostajgo G-din Alusheff sega.

A za Jon Bitov, nema da najdis pogolem patriot Makedonski... tolku znaes!

Ne mi se pravi mnogu kulturen i umen, bre xxx eden!

Samoto podrzhuvanje na edna ramkovistichka grupavichka kako Umdovina.org go pravi golem predavnik a ushte pogolem odrod e koga stanuva pokrovitel na odrodnicite kako Gligorov i Crvenkovski koga tie gi prodavaa nacionalnite interesi na Makedonija i Makedonskiot narod.

[Prolet]

Indigen, Samo mu se zablagodariv za informacijata.

Toa sto Dzon Bitov veli sie negova rabota, jas licno mislam oti treba golemite biznismeni vo diasporata kako Bitov da mozat aktivno da lobirat za Makedonija, oti vaka kako obicni smrtnici nisto ne prajme samo megju sebe ke se karame.

A za dushmanite dobro znajme site, lagata ima kratki noze kaj i da e ke si go pokazat liceto kako sto go pokazaa Ljubco i Ljube.

[mvb9999]

Ne mi se pravi mnogu kulturen i umen, bre xxx eden!

Samoto podorzhuvane na edna ramkovistichka grupavichka kako Umdovina.org go pravi golem predavnik a ushte pogolem odrod e koga stanuva pokrovitel na odrodnicite kako Gligorov i Crvenkovski koga tie gi prodavaa nacionalnite interesi na Makedonija i Makedonskiot narod.

Bitov samo bara podobruvanje na sostojbata za nasite lugje, i dava ogromni pari za toj cel... imam golem pocit za nego. Isto taka, ne veruvam deka UMD raboti kontra Makedonskite interesi voopsto. Za zhal, mnogu od izborite okolu Makedonija se pravat nadvor od Makedonija... na nikoj Makedonec ne mu se svigja toa, ama taka e, i taka segogas bese.... ama taka ne treba da bide za sekogas. Vo meguvreme, organizacii kako UMD barat da svrisat pritisok na tie institucii sto smetat na Makedonskiot narod.. i da moze toa da go pravi, treba da se engajira so niv, tolku. Isto taka, trebame jaki drugi organizacii da ne se egajirat, isto taka... razni organizacii, razni metodii, eden cel.

[indigen]

Indigen, Samo mu se zablagodariv za informacijata.

Toa sto Dzon Bitov veli sie negova rabota, jas licno mislam oti treba golemite biznismeni vo diasporata kako Bitov da mozat aktivno da lobirat za Makedonija, oti vaka kako obicni smrtnici nisto ne prajme samo megju sebe ke se karame.

A za dushmanite dobro znajme site, lagata ima kratki noze kaj i da e ke si go pokazat liceto kako sto go pokazaa Ljubco i Ljube.

I don't trust J. Bitove because he was very intentionally DIVISIVE in the early 1990s and was aligned with Gligorov-Crvenkovski regime and both tried to destroy the Macedonian patriotic movement that at the time was uniting around the WMC. Having failed to destroy the WMC and the patriotic Macedonian Diaspora organisations that have always been a thorn in the side of the VASSAL regimes in RoM, the same forces have now lined up behind the "UMD", IME. J. Bitove, S. Kerim (and his pro-SDSM and pro capitulation media empire in RM) and certain MPOovci are investing in "UMD" and at same time trying to isolate and undermine the WMC and other established patriotic Macedonian organisations. There is a certain trend and pattern of action here, IME.

Secondly, where does JB stand on the crucial issues such as "Interim Accord", Flag Change, "Ramkoven dogovor", "Name Negotiations", Macedonian national-historical narrative, Macedonian language, Macedonian national rights in occupied parts of Macedonia? If he does not have the correct political position on any of the above, how can he be of use in lobbying? What will he be lobbying for?

[indigen]

Bitov samo bara podobruvanje na sostojbata za nasite lugje, i dava ogromni pari za toj cel

Jas znam deka ne bash samo taka! Pa kazhete kolku pari dal i na kogo im se dadeni. I SOROS ima dadeno mnogu pari, dali se sekjavash za nego i dali isto taka go pochituvash?

Isto taka, ne veruvam deka UMD raboti kontra Makedonskite interesi voopsto.

Kako prvo, go velichi Boris Trajkovski (PREDAVNIKOT) i negovite ramkovtichki pogledi i dostignuvanja, t.e. go VELICHI RAMKOVNIOT DOGOVOR. Sigurno toa za normalni Makedonci pretstavuva rabotenje protiv makedonskite nacionalni interesi.

Za zhal, mnogu od izborite okolu Makedonija se pravat nadvor od Makedonija... na nikoj Makedonec ne mu se svigja toa, ama taka e, i taka segogas bese.... ama taka ne treba da bide za sekogas. Vo meguvreme, organizacii kako UMD barat da svrisat pritisok na tie institucii sto smetat na Makedonskiot narod.. i da moze toa da go pravi, treba da se engajira so niv, tolku. Isto taka, trebame jaki drugi organizacii da ne se egajirat, isto taka... razni organizacii, razni metodii, eden cel.

Bi bilo dobro da ti veruvam deka e taka no chitame i slushame shto UMDovci pishuvaat i kazhuvaat i VISTINATA e neshto drugo i poznata za mnogumina na MTO.

[Prolet]

I don't trust J. Bitove because he was very intentionally DIVISIVE in the early 1990s and was aligned with Gligorov-Crvenkovski regime and both tried to destroy the Macedonian patriotic movement that at the time was uniting around the WMC. Having failed to destroy the WMC and the patriotic Macedonian Diaspora organisations that have always been a thorn in the side of the VASSAL regimes in RoM, the same forces have now lined up behind the "UMD", IME. J. Bitove, S. Kerim (and his pro-SDSM and pro capitulation media empire in RM) and certain MPOovci are investing in "UMD" and at same time trying to isolate and undermine the WMC and other established patriotic Macedonian organisations. There is a certain trend and pattern of action here, IME.

Secondly, where does JB stand on the crucial issues such as "Interim Accord", Flag Change, "Ramkoven dogovor", "Name Negotiations", Macedonian national-historical narrative, Macedonian language, Macedonian national rights in occupied parts of Macedonia? If he does not have the correct political position on any of the above, how can he be of use in lobbying? What will he be lobbying for?

Indigen, I dont think John Bitove is too popular with the Greeks right now especially the Pan Macedonian Network because he wants to see a United Macedonia (Vardar,Egej,Pirin and Mala Prespa) I know you are skeptical here and so you should be but how many Macedonian Billionaires do you know that are willing to help the Macedonian Cause? How do we help our people in Egejska and Pirinska Makedonija who are being terrorized each day for declaring their ethnicity and language? I know these questions are not so easy to answer but we need to help ourselves first otherwise we will be pushed around like we have been for the past 20 years.

I SOROS ima dadeno mnogu pari, dali se sekjavash za nego i dali isto taka go pochituvash?

Ali Soros e Evrejski Madzar toj ne e Makedonec toj si gleda svoi interesi a lesno e da se napravi takva zdelka so SDSM, ete i glaviot chovek mue partiski vojnik na SDSM (Vladimir Milcin)

[Bratot]

vo nasata kultura, ne se plukja na umrenite - bidite umni, i ostajgo g-din alusheff sega.

A za jon bitov, nema da najdis pogolem patriot makedonski... Tolku znaes!

kazhuvanje na vistinata ne e plukajne! A shto za vancho mihajlov, tito, kolishevski, zhivkov, lebamoff, i kup drugi umreni dushmani ili predavnici? Neli i tie se umreni?

Alusheff kje bide spomnuvan (od mene) sekogash koga kje ima nameri da im se nametne na makedoncite segashniot pretsedatel na mpo kako "makedonska" patriotka i mpoto kako "makedonska" organizacija. A toa go pravi ili pravea meto i umdovci!

ne mi se pravi mnogu kulturen i umen, bre xxx eden!

Samoto podrzhuvanje na edna ramkovistichka grupavichka kako umdovina.org go pravi golem predavnik a ushte pogolem odrod e koga stanuva pokrovitel na odrodnicite kako gligorov i crvenkovski koga tie gi prodavaa nacionalnite interesi na makedonija i makedonskiot narod.

bitov samo bara podobruvanje na sostojbata za nasite lugje, i dava ogromni pari za toj cel... Imam golem pocit za nego. Isto taka, ne veruvam deka umd raboti kontra makedonskite interesi voopsto. Za zhal, mnogu od izborite okolu makedonija se pravat nadvor od makedonija... Na nikoj makedonec ne mu se svigja toa, ama taka e, i taka segogas bese.... Ama taka ne treba da bide za sekogas. Vo meguvreme, organizacii kako umd barat da svrisat pritisok na tie institucii sto smetat na makedonskiot narod.. I da moze toa da go pravi, treba da se engajira so niv, tolku. Isto taka, trebame jaki drugi organizacii da ne se egajirat, isto taka... Razni organizacii, razni metodii, eden cel.

jas znam deka ne bash samo taka! Pa kazhete kolku pari dal i na kogo im se dadeni. I soros ima dadeno mnogu pari, dali se sekjavash za nego i dali isto taka go pochituvash?



Kako prvo, go velichi boris trajkovski (predavnikot) i negovite ramkovtichki pogledi i dostignuvanja, t.e. Go velichi ramkovniot dogovor. Sigurno toa za normalni makedonci pretstavuva rabotenje protiv makedonskite nacionalni interesi.


Bi bilo dobro da ti veruvam deka e taka no chitame i slushame shto umdovci pishuvaat i kazhuvaat i vistinata e neshto drugo i poznata za mnogumina na mto.

Едно време имавме лобисти од типот на Џон
Битов кој 1992-93 година зема 800 илјади долари
од македонскиот Буџет и божем лобираше во
Канада за македонското признавање. Овде
заедно со госпоѓата Митрева расправавме, кои
не беа мали пари имајки во предвид дека
девизните резерви на Македонија беа под 100
милијони долари. Говорам за периодот 1991 или
1992 година, мислам дека беше 1992 година. Се
случуваа апсурдни ситуации. Ние буквално се да
даваме, а ќар, користа за државата беше еднаква
на нула. И сега го гледам Претседателот на
државата во Канада повторно со господинот Џон
Битов нешто рпави, божем работи, а ниакде ги
нема резултатите

109-01/1.-
СТЕНОГРАФСКИ БЕЛЕШКИ
од Првото продолжение на Сто и деветтата
седница на Собранието на Република
Македонија, одржана на 7 октомври 2005
година

Александар Флоровски

http://www.sobranie.mk/WBStorage/Files/109%20sednica%2001%20prodolzenie%2007.10.2005.pdf

[Bratot]

How come no replay yet?

[Prolet]

Brate, Do you really trust what that SDSM person wrote? Its not trustworthy information.

[indigen]

Brate, Do you really trust what that SDSM person wrote? Its not trustworthy information.

P., which "SDSM" person wrote what?

[indigen]

How come no replay yet?

Top marks for your research skills, Brate!

Do you need me to reply to anything?

[Vangelovski]

Brate, Do you really trust what that SDSM person wrote? Its not trustworthy information.

Prolet,

That is the official hansard (transcript) from a Macedonian Parliamentary sitting - the 109th Sitting from 7 October 2005 to be exact.

[indigen]

Indigen, I dont think John Bitove is too popular with the Greeks right now especially the Pan Macedonian Network because he wants to see a United Macedonia (Vardar,Egej,Pirin and Mala Prespa)

P., I don't see what relevance this has with the topic at hand. The Grks used to "hate" LG at one time and used him as bogeyman to scare their people with. We are on the edge of our final destruction (deconstruction) and general statements about "United Macedonia" serve little purpose and are, IMO, diversionary and of little substance. We need to see calls for an end to name negotiations and the declaring of the "Interim Accord" null and void and the "Ramkoven Dogovor" as an illegal act of high-treason and capitulation and coerced and implemented via an armed IC conspiracy against the Macedonian nation.

I know you are skeptical here and so you should be but how many Macedonian Billionaires do you know that are willing to help the Macedonian Cause?

What actual help is he providing and for what part of the "Macedonian Cause"? I have to say, after doing some research on his achievements, that he can be seen as a role model for aspiring young Macedonian business persons concerned with economic achievments. I also think it is OK or correct to try and cultivate such personalities and try to get them to work for our cause but lets not get ahead of ourselves and think they are the answer to all (or even any) of our problems. IME, our struggle is primarily of an internal nature and concerning the raising of the level of Macedonian Consciousness so that Macedonians can better resist pressures aimed at our destruction and to enhance our abilities to wage a national struggle for survival and liberation.

How do we help our people in Egejska and Pirinska Makedonija who are being terrorized each day for declaring their ethnicity and language?

See above point about raising level of Macedonian consciousness. Also, if we can achieve a strong national Macedonian state, we will be able to do much to help.

I know these questions are not so easy to answer but we need to help ourselves first otherwise we will be pushed around like we have been for the past 20 years.

That is right, we need to raise Macedonian consciousness and fighting spirit and end VASSAL MENTALITY that is prone to capitulation at the drop of a hat! We need to stop looking for 'rich sugar-daddies" to do our bidding and emulate our illustrious and courageous predecessors who did not hesitate to lay their life for the Macedonian cause or Macedonian pride and glory.

Ali Soros e Evrejski Madzar toj ne e Makedonec toj si gleda svoi interesi a lesno e da se napravi takva zdelka so SDSM, ete i glaviot chovek mue partiski vojnik na SDSM (Vladimir Milcin)

This question was aimed at the other person and you have taken it out of context and thus what you say is irrelevant, IMO.

[Prolet]

Prolet,

That is the official hansard (transcript) from a Macedonian Parliamentary sitting - the 109th Sitting from 7 October 2005 to be exact.

If we go by what is spewed in Parliament then thats hardly credible information, they have been so many baseless accusations made there its not funny.

[Vangelovski]

If we go by what is spewed in Parliament then thats hardly credible information, they have been so many baseless accusations made there its not funny.

Prolet,

You make so many baseless statements on here and pass them off as "credible information" why the integrity check now?