John Bitove

[aleksandrov]

... North America has RECOGNIZED Republic of Macedonia, ...

The USA recognized the Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name as a sweetener for gullible Macedonians after inciting and rewarding racist Albanian terrorists and facilitating their creation of a fascist Greater Albania in the Balkans, at the expense of the Macedonian Republic's sovereignty, rule of law, long term peace and security, and unity. Australia does not meddle in internal Macedonian affairs in such a severely oppressive and destructive way, so it has no interest in using superficial sweeteners on a gullible Macedonian public. Australia recognizes the Republic of Macedonia under the 'temporary' reference that Bitov's idol, Kiro Gligorov, voluntarily accepted, and which is used by more than half the world. Nonetheless, Macedonian Australians have condemned Australian foreign policy in this regard on numerous occasions. When have Bitov and his cheerleaders ever condemned US or NATO policy on Macedonia?

[osiris]

when we were you here gore na chiche and why are you so anti australian.

[TrueMacedonian]

This is a disappointing topic. Not because of the subject. But because it's so plain and obvious that there are divisions in the Macedonian community as a whole and we can't find one common ground to work on. All this energy devoted to knocking certain groups and individuals when we should be asking the most basic questions;

1) Why is it that Macedonians in the diaspora are not so active?
2) How is it that we can get them active?

Debating and questioning is healthy. But how healthy is our diaspora as a whole?

[Mikail]

TM,

One way I got some Macedonians interested in tacking part in or supporting Macedonian activities was by inviting them along to A Name Is A Name last night here in Melbourne. Some of them are now considering coming along to the AMHRC Annual Dinner and becoming financial members.

Seems we tend to knock the few who have done things in the past differently to the way we would conduct them in the present.

What common uniting factor do we all possess?

[TrueMacedonian]

TM,

One way I got some Macedonians interested in tacking part in or supporting Macedonian activities was by inviting them along to A Name Is A Name last night here in Melbourne. Some of them are now considering coming along to the AMHRC Annual Dinner and becoming financial members.

Seems we tend to knock the few who have done things in the past differently to the way we would conduct them in the present.

What common uniting factor do we all possess?

Great to read your response Mikail. That is one way of doing it. What else?

[aleksandrov]

Evading specific contentious issues with generalizations does not bring about unity. Even if it did, it would be a false unity. What use is unity if we don't know exactly what we are united about? Yugoslavia and the Socialist Republic of Macedonia were a perfect example of how far false unity and sweeping substantive differences and disagreements under the carpet can get us. Who wants to learn from the old lessons? Who wants to repeat the old mistakes?

[TrueMacedonian]

Evading specific contentious issues with generalizations does not bring about unity. Even if it did, it would be a false unity. What use is unity if we don't know exactly what we are united about? Yugoslavia and the Socialist Republic of Macedonia were a perfect example of how far false unity and sweeping substantive differences and disagreements under the carpet can get us. Who wants to learn from the old lessons? Who wants to repeat the old mistakes?

Then what mistakes are Macedonians in the diaspora making by not being pro-active for Macedonia? How can we amend this? What can be done to rectify this one fact that we haven't really discussed on MTO? Should I start a new topic for this question?

[aleksandrov]

Then what mistakes are Macedonians in the diaspora making by not being pro-active for Macedonia? How can we amend this? What can be done to rectify this one fact that we haven't really discussed on MTO? Should I start a new topic for this question?

Perhaps inspiring people by providing some solid guiding principles, sanctioning those who violate them and minimizing the demoralization produced by capitulatory and defeatist actions might help?

Business-style marketing, with shallow, self-deluding, feel-good statements is hardly a solid motivator for people OF SUBSTANCE to sacrifice time and resources to the apparent cause that is being marketed.

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history. - Mohandas Gandhi

[osiris]

total unity is impossible it has never existed as alexandrov points out look at sfry a perfect example of disunity masquerading as unity.

[gore na nitche]

when we were you here gore na chiche and why are you so anti australian.

Where have i been anti Australian oiris?
Maybe i will tap you on the shoulder one of these days
Have you tried Markovski's burek yet? If not highly recommend it

[UMDiaspora.org]

Bitov: Makedonija mi e vo srceto

YouTube - Битов- Македонија ми е во срцето

[Prolet]

UMD, Spolaj Ti

[indigen]

Prolet: UMD, Spolaj Ti

Za shto im ze zablagodaruvash, bre P?

Site znaeme deka na Bugarite/Bugaromanite, kako i na Grcite/Grkomanite i na Srbite/Srbomanite Makedonija im e "vo srceto"!


Dali znaeme deka MAKEDONSTVOTO im e vo srceto i kakvo e toa i so kakvi koreni im e? Slobodno citiraj nekoj pishan dokaz ili izvadok!

Jas znam deka i pokojniot MPO-Ovec (BUGAROMAN SO TAPIJA) - "Tasho" Alusheff isto taka ja imashe "Makedonia na sertse" ama drugo misleshe za Makedoncite i nashiot etnost, kulturno-istorisko nasledstvo i identitet!

"So pushka na raka i Makedonia na sertse!"
Pozdrav do site Makedonski
ot Tasho Alusheff,
Macedonian forever, greek NEVER!

[mvb9999]

Za shto im ze zablagodaruvash, bre P?

Site znaeme deka na Bugarite/Bugaromanite, kako i na Grcite/Grkomanite i na Srbite/Srbomanite Makedonija im e "vo srceto"!


Dali zanaeme deka MAKEDONSTVOTO im e vo srceto i kavo e toa i so kakvi koreni im e? Slobodno citiraj nekoj pishan dokaz ili izvadok!

Jas znam deka i pokojniot MPO-Ovec (BUGAROMAN SO TAPIJA) - "Tasho" Alusheff isto taka ja imashe "Makedonia na sertse" ama drugo misleshe za Makedoncite i nashiot etnost, kulturno-istorisko nasledstvo i identitet!

Vo nasata kultura, ne se plukja na umrenite - bidite umni, i ostajgo G-din Alusheff sega.

A za Jon Bitov, nema da najdis pogolem patriot Makedonski... tolku znaes!

[indigen]

Vo nasata kultura, ne se plukja na umrenite - bidite umni, i ostajgo G-din Alusheff sega.

A za Jon Bitov, nema da najdis pogolem patriot Makedonski... tolku znaes!

Kazhuvanje na vistinata ne e plukajne! A shto za Vancho Mihajlov, Tito, Kolishevski, Zhivkov, Lebamoff, i kup drugi umreni dushmani ili predavnici? Neli i tie se umreni?

Alusheff kje bide spomnuvan (od mene) sekogash koga kje ima nameri da im se nametne na Makedoncite segashniot pretsedatel na MPO kako "makedonska" patriotka i MPOto kako "makedonska" organizacija. A toa go pravi ili pravea Meto i UMDovci!