Originally posted by Volk
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International Court of Justice - Macedonia and Greece
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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Indigen, you have given the over reaction of the century. Whether I post the information or not, these events are occurring. You want to simply ignore it? I think it's in the best Macedonian interest to know as much about the governments actions as possible.
I don't agree with the governments actions ps.
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Volk when people know the whole truth that their name is used as a bargaining chip just so that they can enter eu & nato i'm sure the they won't want to join them What money are they going to get.What did bulgaria get.In practice it is a fact the recent countries joining have in fact given more than they got in return they are regretting ever joining the eu."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by Mactruth View PostIndigen, you have given the over reaction of the century. Whether I post the information or not, these events are occurring. You want to simply ignore it? I think it's in the best Macedonian interest to know as much about the governments actions as possible.
I don't agree with the governments actions ps.
The following song (and video clip) was in response to the Gligorov, Crvenkovski and Co sell-out capitulations of 1995 (and 1993, by implication), which Gruevski and Co are now trying to VALIDATE at the highest international level (ICJ):
MILA MAKEDONIJO
sung by Vojo Stojanovski
Bog da gi bie i ubie
predavnicite i dushmanite!
Bog da gi bie i ubie
kodoshite i janicharite!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti,
od svoite izrodi makedonski!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti,
od svoite izrodi makedonski!
So vekovi postoime,
so vekovi se borime!
Vera ne izgubivme,
ime ne promenivme!
Od Aleksandar i Samuil,
do Goce Delchev i den deneshen!
Od Aleksandar i Samuil,
do Goce Delchev i den deneshen!
Bog da gi bie i ubie
predavnicite i dushmanite!
Ime shto sakaat da ni promenat,
imeto nashe mnoguvekovno!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti,
od svoite izrodi makedonski!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti,
od svoite izrodi makedonski!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti,
od svoite izrodi makedonski!
YouTube - VOJO STOJANOSKI ''Mila Makedonijo''.
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You can call me a "MAKEDONISTICHAR" if you want but I view the CAPITULATIONS of 1993, 1995, 2001 and the current DECONSTRUCTION AGENDAS as acts of TREASON by the VASSAL ruling elites in RM - NO IFS and NO BUTS!Last edited by indigen; 03-19-2011, 07:32 AM. Reason: Change bad-sounding YuoTube video link to a better version.
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Indigen,
I can't see how the article is "GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA". I look at it as the opposite to anything positive the government or those pushing it are portraying it to be.
Thank you Mactruth for posting it. I was once a fence sitter till articles such as these popped up.
EG:
Antonio Milososki at a press briefing on Thursday said that in its application, Macedonia requests ICJ to determine that Greece at the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008 breached Article 11 from the Interim Accord, i.e. it objected the NATO membership invitation for Macedonia, even though it would be referred to by the interim reference.
Milososki said, has requested during the proceedings the Republic of Macedonia to be addressed by its temporary reference in full
the minister said that the Court's verdicts were final and binding for UN members
LOVE THE ABOVE SONG BY THE WAYLast edited by Bill77; 03-19-2011, 03:43 AM.http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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This thread has been merged with the other one relating to the ICJ disgrace of Macedonia. To all persons who have further articles and/or information regarding this topic, let's keep it on the one thread here, thanks.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Volk View Postlets play your game again:
by closing the door on EU and NATO membership (which the majority of all citizens want):
- no more EU funding
- rise in ethnic tensions
Are we not prepared to address them with proportional force should they(extremists) try to destabilise the country? If not, when do you think we will be prepared? Perhaps when we declare the FA void, and therefore rid ourselves of the requirement in which we are forced to have 25% ethnic Albanians in the army? How else would you suggest that this predicament changes, if not by discarding the FA? How else will we ever be prepared to defend the interests of our state?
- fall of government party
Macedonia should be ready for any economic and military embargos like it experienced inthe 90s. This means either full or partial self sufficiency for arms and energy. Embargos or threat of embargos can be used as levarage as they were before.
Has Macedonia overcome this threat?
There is a difference between 'fearful' and mindful or ready for. And no I was reffering to the albanians. You seem to think they will give up thier war spoils with no opposition? justify your claim.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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The UN's highest court will hold public hearings next week in the hopes of settling a 20-year-old row between Greece and Macedonia about the former Yugoslav state's name.
Macedonia will address the court on Monday and Tuesday, followed by Greece on Thursday and Friday, according to a schedule published by the International Court of Justice.
Both countries will make final statements on Monday and Tuesday the following week before the judges retire to consider their judgment.
In an application filed in November 2008, Macedonia claimed that Greece violated its rights by objecting to its application to join NATO.
It asked the court to order Greece "to cease and desist from objecting in any way, whether directly or indirectly, to (Macedonia's) membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation nor any other international multilateral and regional organisations and institutions of which (Greece) is a member."
The two countries have been at loggerheads since Macedonia proclaimed independence from the former Yugoslavia in 1991.
Greece has blocked Macedonia's bid to join the European Union and NATO until it changes the name, which is the same as that of a northern Greek province.
Athens says the use of the name implies a claim on Greek territory.
UN-led negotiations have proven fruitless.
Macedonia was recognised by the United Nations in 1993 under the name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).
More than 120 nations, including Russia and the United States, have recognised the landlocked Balkan country under its constitutional name: Republic of Macedonia.
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The REAL truth....
Originally posted by Mactruth View PostIndigen, you have given the over reaction of the century. Whether I post the information or not, these events are occurring. You want to simply ignore it? I think it's in the best Macedonian interest to know as much about the governments actions as possible.
Wrap it up any tighter and it'll pop.Last edited by fyrOM; 03-19-2011, 08:12 AM.
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Was there a point to your post, or are you quickly becoming completely irrelevant to this forum? Here is some real truth, you supported the notion of Macedonia entering NATO and the EU under a name other than the official one of the state. Why would anybody, much less another Macedonian, take a spineless fool like you seriously?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostWas there a point to your post, or are you quickly becoming completely irrelevant to this forum?
Events are occurring, right?
You may Not like them.
Does your (collective) Not liking stop the events occurring? - No
If you intend to change things, don't you Need to know what's happening first???
If the mere sight of something causes a dummy-spit then how are you going to know about it in order to change things?
Jumping on the messenger doesn't change what's going on nor the message of it.
Purpose of jumping on the messenger/message??? - who knows
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fyrOM,
You need to contact the closest drug rehabilitation centre as soon as possible. Your "free thinking" is nothing more than 'the government knows best and we should trust them'.Last edited by Vangelovski; 03-19-2011, 06:16 PM.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Wow ozimak is now the mortal enemy of Macedonia. lets not make this forum one dimensional with a rigid party line otherwise it will become as sterile and irrelevant as maknews. I think he has copped enough abuse and I am surprised that this is happening to this forum.
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fyrOM is nothing more than a whipping post.
His scare campaign is a mirror of all that has crippled the Macedonian Republic over the last 100 years.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by OziMak View PostPurpose of jumping on the messenger/message??? - who knows
Osiris, the MTO is one dimensional in one way only - in terms of supporting the Macedonian Cause. We have never prevented others from expressing their thoughts, and we will not going forward, but we will not allow people to continually spread anti-Macedonian propaganda or counter-productive activities, or welcome such sentiments with open arms, like what was taking place at maknews. Therefore, your parallels with maknews are unfounded and quite frankly, a little insulting. The reason why that forum went down is because people like this rambler and others that think alike prevailed. If you haven't been adequately following the threads and all of the comments made, then spend the time to do so before you start passing judgement and alluding to false allegations.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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