International Court of Justice - Macedonia and Greece

[Vangelovski]

The ICJ case will hopefully put to rest the idea that there's some sort of 'grand plan' at play.
Those unwilling to criticize gruevski on this matter have done so by supporting this fanciful notion that it's part of some mystical 'grand plan' he has for defending Macedonian interests.

I think gruevski has backed himself into a corner and will lose even more support from Macedonians if the status quo remains i.e. If he continues to engage in the futility of trading our identity to win greek favour at NATO and the EU.

Perhaps if nothing else, the Macedonian Government's amateurism will finally be obvious to all.

[Brian]

If anyone thought it was too early to protest, news like this surely acts as a wake up call. Unfortunately I fear what happens in RoM will count regardless of what the diaspora does.

I think implementing a facial recognition and or eye recognition, like that article I mentioned once, to prove the ethnic Albanians do not deserve anything will go towards credibility when ripping up the FA and their veto 'rights' when making nul and void the IA. But then again, look who I am talking about, the guy with no credibility. The EU is 'fools gold' anyway and should be abandoned regardless of any name change issue, but should be made clear a name change is an absolute deal breaker under any circumstances.

[makedonche]

The ICJ case will hopefully put to rest the idea that there's some sort of 'grand plan' at play.
Those unwilling to criticize gruevski on this matter have done so by supporting this fanciful notion that it's part of some mystical 'grand plan' he has for defending Macedonian interests.

I think gruevski has backed himself into a corner and will lose even more support from Macedonians if the status quo remains i.e. If he continues to engage in the futility of trading our identity to win greek favour at NATO and the EU.

Phoenix
Agreed.......other issue is that he is so far down the track with the bartering of the name and has also dragged the country/identity so far down the track, that it may well be too late to recover!

[United MKD]

Will there be any live streaming of the verdict?

[Vangelovski]

The ICJ has just released a PR and the leaks were accurate. They found that Greece violated the Interim Accord and rejected Macedonia's insistence that the ICJ order Greece to comply with the Interim Accord. What does this mean from here? Nothing. Business as usual. Macedonia's vassal politicians will continue to beg for entry into NATO under FYROM and will probably increase their tempo in peddling excuses as to why we need to change our name immediately.

[United MKD]

The Court finds that Greece, by objecting to the admission of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to NATO, has breached its obligation under Article 11, paragraph 1, of the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995

THE HAGUE, 5 December 2011. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, today delivered its Judgment in the case concerning Application of the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995 (the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia v. Greece).

In its Judgment, which is final, without appeal and binding on the Parties, the Court
(1) finds, by fourteen votes to two, that it has jurisdiction to entertain the Application filed by the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia on 17 November 2008 and that this Application is admissible;

(2) finds, by fifteen votes to one, that the Hellenic Republic, by objecting to the admission of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to NATO, has breached its obligation under Article 11, paragraph 1, of the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995;

(3) rejects, by fifteen votes to one, all other submissions made by the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

[Bill77]

Get the mortein out makedonce. I can here the buzzing from Athens all the way here in Melbourne.

[Bill77]

The Court finds that Greece, by objecting to the admission of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to NATO, has breached its obligation under Article 11, paragraph 1, of the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995

THE HAGUE, 5 December 2011. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, today delivered its Judgment in the case concerning Application of the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995 (the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia v. Greece).

In its Judgment, which is final, without appeal and binding on the Parties, the Court
(1) finds, by fourteen votes to two, that it has jurisdiction to entertain the Application filed by the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia on 17 November 2008 and that this Application is admissible;

(2) finds, by fifteen votes to one, that the Hellenic Republic, by objecting to the admission of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to NATO, has breached its obligation under Article 11, paragraph 1, of the Interim Accord of 13 September 1995;

(3) rejects, by fifteen votes to one, all other submissions made by the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

On all 3, ad hoc VUKAS, favoured Greece. I believe he is Croatian. What was the story there, i wander.

[United MKD]

Can't wait for UMD's response to this, I have already seen some of their representatives on facebook going crazy over this 'victory' against Greece.

[Risto the Great]

Bravo.
A clear & decisive win for FYROM. FYROMIANS will cheer themselves hoarse I would imagine.

Now it is clear that FYROM can enter into organisations of dubious benefit.

Not sure how this benefits Macedonia or Macedonians. Unless Macedonians "know what they are" and the name of the country means nothing.

(3) rejects, by fifteen votes to one, all other submissions made by the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

What were they submitting that went so poorly? Oh who cares.

[Vangelovski]

Three years and wasted tax payers money for court proceedings that only further entrenched the treason of 1995...and this will all be spun as a victory.

[Stojacanec]

I don't know whether to break open the shampagne bottles. I'll keep them on ice and see what happens from here.


FYI

Paragraph 168 from the judgment makes me laught; it says:


'..........Moreover, the Court does not consider it necessary to order the Respondent, as the Applicant requests, to refrain from any future conduct that violates its obligation under Article 11, paragraph 1, of the Interim Accord. As the Court previously explained, “[a]s a general rule, there is no reason to suppose that a State whose act or conduct has been declared wrongful by the Court will repeat that act or conduct in the future, since its good faith must be presumed” (Navigational and Related Rights (Costa Rica v. Nicaragua), Judgment, I.C.J. Reports 2009, p................'

The court knows that Greece was on trial don't they!

It's like letting Jack the Ripper out on a good behaviour bond.

[julie]

step 1. Declare Interim Accord null and void, demand MACEDONIA only name to be known as, step 2. Declare framework agreement null and void, and reinstate natural justice and sovereignty eroded from Macedonians within the Republic. step 3. MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS

This is when the UMD should be pressuring the Macedonian government on behalf of the Macedonian diaspora to declare the Interim Accord null and void

[Phoenix]

This is when the UMD should be pressuring the Macedonian government on behalf of the Macedonian diaspora to declare the Interim Accord null and void

UMD has as much voice to influence the Macedonian Government as the ICJ has to discipline greece...

[Vangelovski]

UMD has as much voice to influence the Macedonian Government as the ICJ has to discipline greece...

I expect UMD will come out with a classic Gligorovist philosophical stance along the lines of "navednata glava sabja ne ja sece" and explain to us radicals why we need to continue voluntarily surrendering our national sovereignty over to those that want to destroy us.