International Court of Justice - Macedonia and Greece

[Vangelovski]

Thanks makedonche and Vangelovski.

I was thinking this whole issue ties into the Albanianization of Macedonia as well. I remember in the past when Albanian politicians gave Macedonia several ultimatums demanding that the country does everything it can to join Nato and the EU. So to a large extent, Macedonia is trying to join these organizations just to keep the Albanians satisfied.

No, the Macedonians are trying to get into the EU and NATO because they suffer form communist withdrawal syndrome, whereby they think they don't need to work and someone else will take care of the bill.

[Niko777]

"communist withdrawal syndrome" - good point

[George S.]

thats right macedonia is just doing things for the wrong reasons maybe because others are demanding of them ,like the albanians.It 's called inbuilt serfdom & slave menatality that it can't get out of.It wants to belong to something & be ordered around like in the commie days like being back on the gravy train roughting & full of corruption.I think they have never known anything better or will ever know when a certain mindset is reached like defitists & cannot think for one self preservation.

[ProMKD]

they suffer form communist withdrawal syndrome

That is frigging HILARIOUS! Bud sad because it's true

[George S.]

even though they seem to have democracy the political behaviour is the same as communists.THe poor peasants gets screwed again.Not surprised at the comprimising & capitulation how much money did they receive for that.Greece had billions at it's disposal prior to the huge deficits.

[ProMKD]

It is amusing to read that the Church of Greece had something to say about that when it does not even have canonical jurisdiction over the Macedonian region of Greece.

Who does? I don't know much about the church situation

[Risto the Great]

Who does? I don't know much about the church situation

Istanbul Patriarchy

http://www.patriarchate.org/index

Not the breakaway Greek church.

Not saying either is useful for Macedonians though.

[Mactruth]

UN's highest court to rule on Macedonia's name

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/un-s-highest-court-to-rule-on-macedonia-s-name_190986.html

The UN's highest court will rule early next month on a decades-long spat between Greece and Macedonia over the former Yugoslav republic's name, the court said Thursday.
Since 1991, Athens has been blocking its neighbour's international recognition under the name "Macedonia", saying it belongs exclusively to its own national heritage.
"On December 5, the International Court of Justice, the principle judicial organ of the United Nations, will deliver its judgment in the case" concerning the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia versus Greece, the ICJ said in a statement.
Judgement will be handed down in a public hearing at 10:00am (0900 GMT) at the Hague-based court's headquarters at the Peace Palace. Hearings were held from March 21 to 30, the statement said.
Macedonia lodged a complaint before the ICJ in November 2008, asking judges to order Greece to stop objecting to its NATO membership or that of "any other international, multilateral and regional organisations and institutions."
In 2008 Greece blocked Macedonia's NATO invitation and one year later prevented the EU from starting accession talks with Skopje despite recommendations from the European Commission.
Greece alleges that use of the name Macedonia suggests a territorial claim to the northern Greek province of the same name while Skopje maintains that changing the name would be a denial of its own national identity and language.
Macedonia was admitted to the UN in 1993 under the provisional name of the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".
More than 120 countries including Russia and the United States, however, have recognised the Balkan country under the name of "Republic of Macedonia."
Established in 1945, the ICJ is the UN's highest judicial organ and settles disputes between states. It is the only one of the six main UN bodies not located in New York.

[Risto the Great]

The UN will tell FYROM that it won and is allowed to be called FYROM.
So what!
What does that have to do with Macedonia?

[George S.]

We have distanced ourselves from macedonia we are just the fyrom.BUT at the same time greece is not happy with the name as it does not want the word macedonia used at all.
Might i suggest the country with no name as a suitable name.That would please everyone including our stupid politicians.

[George S.]

Hague court to deliver judgment on Macedonia's lawsuit against Greece on Dec. 5



Skopje, 24 November 2011 (MIA) - The Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ) on December 5 will deliver its judgment in Macedonia's case against Greece for breaching the 1995 Bilateral Interim Accord by blocking country's accession to NATO at a summit in Bucharest in 2008.

The court has an established practice to notify the two parties in a dispute that a final decision has been reached two weeks prior to its delivery.

Macedonia has sought the court to order Greece to abide by its obligations stemming from the Interim Accord and not to block Macedonia's membership into international organizations, the country's legal representatives in the Hague proceedings have said.

Athens founded its defense claiming that there was no veto at the Bucharest summit, but a consensus reached between NATO member countries to delay Macedonia's accession until a solution to the name dispute was found. Greece asked the ICJ to declare that the case didn't fall within its jurisdiction.

Judgments reached by the Hague court are final and legally binding and the UN Security Council is in charge of their implementation.

[Niko777]

Here is the problem:
Macedonia has sought the court to order Greece to abide by its obligations stemming from the Interim Accord and not to block Macedonia's membership into international organizations, the country's legal representatives in the Hague proceedings have said.

it should read like this:

Macedonia has sought the court to withdraw from the Interim Accord and therefore return to it's rightful flag, reincorporate its clauses in the constitution pertaining to the protection of Macedonian minority rights in neighboring countries, and abolishing the offensive term of "FYROM". Also seeking punitive damages for emotional distress on the Macedonian nation

[Vangelovski]

Here is the problem:
Macedonia has sought the court to order Greece to abide by its obligations stemming from the Interim Accord and not to block Macedonia's membership into international organizations, the country's legal representatives in the Hague proceedings have said.

it should read like this:

Macedonia has sought the court to withdraw from the Interim Accord and therefore return to it's rightful flag, reincorporate its clauses in the constitution pertaining to the protection of Macedonian minority rights in neighboring countries, and abolishing the offensive term of "FYROM". Also seeking punitive damages for emotional distress on the Macedonian nation

Other than for the purposes of seeking punitive damages, Macedonia does not need the ICJ at all. It simply needs to declare the Interim Accord 'null and void' and reverse all the damage done.

[makedonche]

@Nikko & Vangelovski
Good luck with that punitive damages part.........although I suppose it would be worthwhile pursuing, just to keep them in default for a few more years!

[George S.]

definitely right there that macedonia should pull out of the interim accord years ago.Also one wonders whether punitive damages can be awarded but you never know.How about the economic damage done by greece to macedonia in the last blockade.The eu was meant to follow through but stopped when the ia was signed.