International Court of Justice - Macedonia and Greece

[Risto the Great]

Bring on the Mortein, the sooner the better!

ummm, MortinOS TM the original* and the best ... re

*Original is defined in modern Greek as something stolen from somewhere else but portrayed as being Greek from time immemorial.

[makedonche]

ummm, MortinOS TM the original* and the best ... re

*Original is defined in modern Greek as something stolen from somewhere else but portrayed as being Greek from time immemorial.

RTG
hahahahah........that's right I forgot it was Greek!

[DedoAleko]

Хаг на 5-ти декември ќе се произнесе по тужбата на Македонија

Меѓународниот кривичен суд во Хаг на 5-ти декември ќе ја соопшти пресудата по тужбата на Македонија против Грција, информираат дипломатски извори за „Макфакс".


Целта на тужбеното барање е судот да утврди дека Грција на самитот на НАТО во Букурешт во 2008-ма година го прекршила членот 11 од привремената спогодба од 1995 година, односно дека приговорила на членството на земјата во Алијансата под привремената референца „Поранешна Југословенска Република Македонија".


Од судот, исто така, се бара на Грција да и наложи понатаму да не ја прекршува спогодбата.
izvor: http://www.makfax.com.mk/#2%2F272023..._na_makedonija

[Brian]

Одлуката од Хаг не е воопшто задоволителна, а новата влада потребно е вешто да се справи со неа – порача лидерот на ЛАОС. Исходот од меѓународниот суд за правда повторно се најде во грчкиот парламент. И Папандреу и Караѕаферис со свои ставови.

izvor: http://kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mI...&eventId=82991

Now "there's room for more discussions"? What happened to the 'Red-Line'? Sounds like a bit of wee hit their jocks and their bladder is full.


Tick-Tock, December 5 is almost here, everyone go out and buy some mortine-os.

[DedoAleko]

Катимерини: Пресудата е донесена - Хаг ја осуди грција

izvor: http://sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/makedoni...a-osudi-grcija

[Bill77]

Катимерини: Пресудата е донесена - Хаг ја осуди грција

izvor: http://sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/makedoni...a-osudi-grcija

Well thats a bummer.

Lets hope and depend on EU and their double standards, bias, corrupt policies, to defend Greece and the situation remain status quo regarding Macedonian entry to EU.

[ProMKD]

Пресудата според изворот на Kатимерини сепак нема да одговори на барањето нa Скопје да и се наложи на Грција да не ја блокира интеграцијата на земјава

Ok, so what was the whole point then????

[Vangelovski]

No judgement has been released yet. Everything you read until 5 December 2011 is just rumour and speculation. However, you can be assured of this - Macedonia loses no matter what happens at the ICJ.

[Risto the Great]

Macedonia loses no matter what happens at the ICJ.

Macedonia has already lost.

[Niko777]

I haven't really been following this issue because of my anger towards the Macedonian government's support for the IA.

But nevertheless, please help me understand what is going on.

I always thought that a contract between two parties becomes void when one party does not perform its obligations? In a hypothetical world let's say we truly accepted the IA and Greece is found guilty for not performing its obligations under the IA, that would mean in theory Macedonia has the right to rip up the IA and change back its flag, right? But in reality the current Macedonian government is not suing Greece with the intention of withdrawing from the IA and changing back the flag, rather it is suing Greece because it wants to continue with the terms of the IA so it can enter in NATO as fyrom? In other words in 1995 Greece imposed the IA on Macedonia, and now Macedonia is imposing the IA on both itself and Greece?

Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

[makedonche]

I haven't really been following this issue because of my anger towards the Macedonian government's support for the IA.

But nevertheless, please help me understand what is going on.

I always thought that a contract between two parties becomes void when one party does not perform its obligations? In a hypothetical world let's say we truly accepted the IA and Greece is found guilty for not performing its obligations under the IA, that would mean in theory Macedonia has the right to rip up the IA and change back its flag, right? But in reality the current Macedonian government is not suing Greece with the intention of withdrawing from the IA and changing back the flag, rather it is suing Greece because it wants to continue with the terms of the IA so it can enter in NATO as fyrom? In other words in 1995 Greece imposed the IA on Macedonia, and now Macedonia is imposing the IA on both itself and Greece?

Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

Niko777
Your understanding is refreshingly correct and accurate, some people in RoM just don't get it or refuse to get it, unfortuneately most of these people are in government!

[Vangelovski]

In other words in 1995 Greece imposed the IA on Macedonia, and now Macedonia is imposing the IA on both itself and Greece?

Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

That's about it in a nutshell.

Macedonia, like any other sovereign country, can withdraw from any agreement it likes at any time. But what Macedonia should do with the IA is declare it 'null and void'. That means that the IA was never valid or binding to begin with - i.e., like it never existed. Anything else would provide legitimacy to Greece's claims. But, Macedonia being Macedonia, is like you said, now imposing the IA on itself and Greece through the ICJ case.

[Niko777]

Thanks makedonche and Vangelovski.

I was thinking this whole issue ties into the Albanianization of Macedonia as well. I remember in the past when Albanian politicians gave Macedonia several ultimatums demanding that the country does everything it can to join Nato and the EU. So to a large extent, Macedonia is trying to join these organizations just to keep the Albanians satisfied.

[Onur]

I don't know if this article has been posted here already but i saw this while i was searching for something else on google. It seems like an interesting article written by a Greek historian&journalist Tassos Kostopoulos about the name issue and the involvement of Greek church;

http://www.florina.org/info_zora/012_e.pdf

[Risto the Great]

It is amusing to read that the Church of Greece had something to say about that when it does not even have canonical jurisdiction over the Macedonian region of Greece.