Macedonia and Bulgaria: Political Relations

[maco2envy]

Bulgaria has renamed the Macedonian language to "Northmacedonian literary norm" - one of three literary norms of the Bulgarian language.

Bulgarian Wikipedia article: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...80%D0%BC%D0%B0

Bulgarian wikipedia is a mess anyway

[Big Bad Sven]

I don't think Romania has directly interferred in Macedonia since the Balkan Wars

I remember reading a book about the break up of Yugoslavia. After Serbia and Macedonia became independent Romania pressured both to improve the rights of Romanian/vlach in those countries.

Furthermore, I remember in the mid 2000’s some guys from the Struga region telling me that in Struga if you are Vlach or had some Vlach/Romanian ancestry you could apply for Romanian citizenship. Supposedly this guy’s family was doing this. I don’t know how reliable this story was or if it still is happening.

[Niko777]

Bulgaria has renamed the Macedonian language to "Northmacedonian literary norm" - one of three literary norms of the Bulgarian language.

Bulgarian Wikipedia article: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...80%D0%BC%D0%B0

[Risto the Great]

They will all line up for favours when the time comes.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

I don't think Romania has directly interferred in Macedonia since the Balkan Wars

[Risto the Great]

Seriously, we haven't heard from the Romanians yet. They have the right level of Balkan peasant in them to attempt their own veto for some kind of gain. Anything is possible.

[Solun]

The Romanians will take him soon enough.

The Romanians will not be writing NMK textbooks

Panos Kamenos will be writing NMK textbooks. I think you know how Vlachs will be defined in such textbooks

[Risto the Great]

At least they still have Tose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Romanians will take him soon enough.

[Big Bad Sven]

Minister Zaharieva claims Bulgaria won a major concession from Macedonian historians

URL:

https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/minister-zaharieva-claims-bulgaria-won-a-major-concession-from-macedonian-historians/

Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Ekaterina Zaharieva claimed as a major diplomatic win the fact that Macedonian historians acknowledged that the medieval kingdom of Tsar Samoil was a Bulgarian kingdom.

Zaharieva was referring to the results of the latest round of discussions in the Joint commission of historians set up to implement the treaty Macedonia and Bulgaria signed in 2017. Under the treaty, Bulgaria got oversight rights over Macedonian history books and even public discourse, and the two countries must determine which historic events and figures belong to their “shared history”. Given that Bulgaria continues to hold the veto threat over Macedonia’s EU accession, the talks in the commission are largely focused on the Macedonian side accepting the Bulgarian character of the medieval individuals and events and the historians agreed to put Tsar Samoil and two contemporary Christian saints – Clement and Naum of Ohrid – on the “shared” list.

I believe we are making fundamental progress. For the first time in 80 years historians from North Macedonia admitted that there was a medieval Bulgarian state. But, the most important thing is what will the history books say and what will we teach our children, Zaharieva added.

Bulgaria does not recognize the existence of a Macedonian nation and language separate from the Bulgarian and wants the Macedonian history books to reflect this view.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Macedonians are not allowed to claim Alexander the Great or the ancient macedonians anymore, and now they cannot claim Tsar Samoil and his empire.

Heres a hing: within the next 10 years the VMRO such as Goce Delcev will be 'shared' with the Bulgarians.

If the macedonians are lucky they maybe able to claim the Macedonian partizians from WW2 (or maybe the serbs can claim as they where technically yugoslav then)

At least they still have Tose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Carlin]

Minister Zaharieva claims Bulgaria won a major concession from Macedonian historians

URL:

https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/minister-zaharieva-claims-bulgaria-won-a-major-concession-from-macedonian-historians/

Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Ekaterina Zaharieva claimed as a major diplomatic win the fact that Macedonian historians acknowledged that the medieval kingdom of Tsar Samoil was a Bulgarian kingdom.

Zaharieva was referring to the results of the latest round of discussions in the Joint commission of historians set up to implement the treaty Macedonia and Bulgaria signed in 2017. Under the treaty, Bulgaria got oversight rights over Macedonian history books and even public discourse, and the two countries must determine which historic events and figures belong to their “shared history”. Given that Bulgaria continues to hold the veto threat over Macedonia’s EU accession, the talks in the commission are largely focused on the Macedonian side accepting the Bulgarian character of the medieval individuals and events and the historians agreed to put Tsar Samoil and two contemporary Christian saints – Clement and Naum of Ohrid – on the “shared” list.

I believe we are making fundamental progress. For the first time in 80 years historians from North Macedonia admitted that there was a medieval Bulgarian state. But, the most important thing is what will the history books say and what will we teach our children, Zaharieva added.

Bulgaria does not recognize the existence of a Macedonian nation and language separate from the Bulgarian and wants the Macedonian history books to reflect this view.

[Pelagonija]

It’s BAU in North Macedonia. I reckon they need to ramp up the negotiations with Bulgaria, maybe get Ljupco Georgievski and Dimitrov involved? Just a suggestion.?

[Vangelovski]

What they're doing here is trying to merge Macedonian and Bulgarian history and culture into one. Well, sucking Macedonian into Bulgarian, but the effect is the same - loss of identity.

[Risto the Great]

Stupid Macedonians throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[maco2envy]

Not even one (historical) fresco of St Kliment in Bulgaria, and now we are jointly celebrating him? The absolute state of north macedonia...

[Carlin]

February 21, 2019

Заеднички ќе се чествуваат цар Самоил, свети Наум и свети Климент

URL:

https://novatv.mk/zaednichki-ke-se-chestvuvaat-tsar-samoil-sveti-naum-i-sveti-kliment/

Постигната е согласност за заедничко одбележување на цар Самоил свети Климент и свети Наум на дводневната средба на заедничката комисија за историски и образовни прашања меѓу Република Северна Македонија и Република Бугарија што заврши синоќа во Скопје.

„По долги дебати, заедничката комисија постигна согласност да даде препорака до владите на двете држави дека постојат доволно елементи за заедничко одбележување на Св. Климент, Св. Наум, и цар Самоил, како мост за градење на меѓусебни пријателски односи, во духот на Договорот за пријателство и добрососедство“, стои во соопштението од Инститот за национална историја.

На средбата е разгледувана можноста за заедничко одбележување на некои историски личности кои се значајни и за двете држави, додека дискусијата за учебниците по историја беше одложена за следната средба.

Ова е четврта средба на заедничката македонско-бугарска комисија за историски и образовни прашања, која е формирана согласно Договорот за добрососедство меѓу двете земји.

-Оваа комисија има два аспекти – едниот од нив е заедничко чествување на одредени историски личности и настани, при што нашиот фокус се историски личности и настани кои се извор на историографско – политички конфликт помеѓу двете држави и пречат во развојот на добрите односи помеѓу двете држави, вели историчарот и член на експертскиот тим, Петар Тодоров.

-Наша работа е да дадеме препораки до Владите, а на владите да постапат согласно нашите препораки. Нашиот предлог е да се слават ови личности при јубилејни, при значајни датуми, вели историчарот Тодоров во интервјуто за 1ТВ.