Macedonia and Bulgaria: Political Relations

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  • makedonche
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 3242

    The liars and thieves together in one place - mutual similarities between them amount to lying and thieving!
    On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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    • Frank
      Banned
      • Mar 2010
      • 687

      Sofia and Athens debating Macedonia, nothing more needs to said.

      All 3 are whores, liars and thief's and deserve to be thrown in the sea

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      • Ljubanec
        Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 125

        Nothing was said and each of the comments can be interpreted in a million ways. Here is the same shit from a Bulgarian point of view


        Bulgaria's Foreign Minister Nikolay Mladenov has backed his Greek counterpart in the notorious dispute for the name of the Republic of Macedonia, according to the interpretation of the Macedonian press.

        Commenting on the trilateral meeting of the Foreign Ministers of Bulgaria, Greece, and Serbia, which took place in Sofia on Saturday, the Macedonian paper "Vecer" states that Mladenov and Greek Foreign Minister Dimitris Droutsas are pressuring FYROM to make concessions to Greece; the article is entitled "Droutsas and Mladenov Seek for Us to Yield about the Name".

        The notorious dispute between Macedonia and Greece led the latter to veto the former's NATO accession in 2008, and has been hindering the start of Macedonia's EU accession talks.

        Greece is the reason Macedonia is listed in the UN not as "the Republic of Macedonia" but as "the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia; as an administrative region in Northern Greece is also called Macedonia, Greece is concerned that recognizing its northern neighbor under the same name would fuel territorial claims. EU and US efforts for mediating and resolving the name dispute have failed over the intransigence of the two parties.

        The Macedonian "Vecer" Daily, which is known to be close to Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, cites the Greek top diplomat as saying that Greece would like to resolve the name dispute and see Macedonia join the EU as soon as possible but that Skopje knows very well what it has to do for that to happen.

        Another leading Macedonian daily, "Dnevnik", has published almost the same article but with a different title, "Droutsas: Skopje Knows What It Has to Do to Join EU".

        The almost identical articles of both dailies quote the Bulgarian Foreign Minister as declaring that Bulgaria considers the name dispute a bilateral issue between Macedonia and Greece, but that it is high time that a sensible solution be found so that Macedonia could progress.

        He has reiterated the three major requirements for EU integration – the adoption of EU law, regional cooperation, and problem-free relations with neighboring countries.

        The Vecer daily points out that Mladenov and Droutsas did not specify whether the Macedonia-Greece name dispute was an explicit matter of their trilateral meeting with Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic.

        The major outcome of the Mladenov-Droutsas-Jeremic talks were the declarations on part of Bulgaria and Greece that they wanted to see Serbia in the EU by 2018.

        The forum comments below the articles in both Macedonian dailies are dominated by opinions describing the trilateral meeting of the foreign ministers of Bulgaria, Greece, and Serbia as "the three musketeers" and "three hungry wolves" wishing to partition the Republic of Macedonia; some forum users even see it as a reminiscence of the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913 when, according to the official view of the Skopje historians and government, the three "Balkan imperialists" formed a union to partition the spoils of Macedonia.

        This view is considered offensive in Bulgaria as back at the beginning of the 20th century Bulgaria based its claims on the region of Macedonia (part of the Ottoman Empire till the First Balkan War of 1912) on the affiliation of the majority of the Macedonian population with the Bulgarian nation through ethnicity, language, religion, culture, and traditions, while Serbia and Greece sought to grab chunks of Macedonia based on the principles of balance of power under which none of the three major Balkan states – Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia – at the time was supposed to be allowed to become bigger and therefore more powerful than the others.


        Tags: Balkan Wars, FYROM, macedonia, name dispute, Western Balkans, EU accession, EU integration, EU, Nikolay Mladenov, Dimitris Droutsas, Vuk Jeremic, greece, Serbia

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        • Makedonetz
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 1080

          The real kicker to this story is "Macedonia knows what to do if they want to join the EU- by Greece" They think they have the upper hand by pointing the guns to our heads and thinking we wont budge. Greece and the entire EU are a bunch of dimented cock fucks and we should seperate ourselves FAR from these biggots who border our country. Time to take the Kick me sign off our backs and pass it on to the EU who are the real Pitchka's
          Makedoncite se borat
          za svoite pravdini!

          "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
          - Goce Delchev

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15658

            Bulgaria's spies scandal: Bozhidar Dimitrov walks the plank


            Prime Minister Boiko Borissov said on December 19 2010 that he had accepted the resignation of minister for Bulgarians abroad Bozhidar Dimitrov, who has become caught up in the controversy about former State Security collaborators in influential public positions, a scandal renewed in recent days by an official disclosure that almost half of Bulgaria's ambassadors used to work for communist-era secret services.

            Borissov's Government is seeking to exorcise the diplomatic corps of people exposed as communist-era secret service collaborators, and has called on President Georgi Purvanov to recall them, a step that the former socialist leader - himself disclosed to have been a State Security collaborator - has refused to consider.

            Dimitrov's name, along with those of others currently in positions of power in Borissov's administration, was drawn into the controversy as Purvanov and current Bulgarian Socialist Party leaders fought a rearguard action against the campaign by Borissov and Foreign Minister Nikolai Mladenov to get current diplomats associated with the former State Security removed from their posts, and bring in a lustration law to prevent such people being appointed as envoys.

            The socialists said that Dimitrov, among others, had been confirmed officially to have been a State Security collaborator but was in office, and so Borissov was applying double standards.

            On December 18, Borissov said that he would ask Dimitrov to resign, and soon afterwards Dimitrov told Bulgarian National Television (BNT) that he had not yet written his resignation letter but would submit it on December 20. However, on December 19 Borissov told BNT that he had accepted Dimitrov's resignation, and that Deputy Interior Minister Pavlin Dimitrov would be leaving office the following day. Pavlin Dimitrov similarly was previously exposed as a former State Security collaborator.

            On December 17, Borissov told BNT talk show Panorama that he would withdraw Bozhidar Dimitrov from the Cabinet when Purvanov agreed to recall the ambassadors shown to have been State Security collaborators.

            Borissov told Panorama that the case of Bozhidar Dimitrov was different because he had won a seat in Parliament in the July 2009 elections even though people had known that he had worked with State Security.

            From the outset of Borissov's administration, Dimitrov has been a controversial figure, including in regard to his former State Security role. When Borissov came to power, his party mooted a lustration law that would prevent communist-era secret service agents holding public office. At the same time, the same allegation of double standards was levelled at Borissov because of Dimitrov.

            Dimitrov has been involved in other controversies, including in regard to Bulgaria's relations with its neighbour Macedonia, and when he allegedly used foul language about archeologists who queried the authenticity of the supposed finding in Bulgaria of some of the remains of John the Baptist.

            Bozhidar Dimitrov told journalists that he probably would return to his previous job as head of the National History Museum.

            Bulgarian media reports said that Tsvetan Tsvetanov, Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister, had said on December 18 that he would let go his Deputy Interior Minister Pavlin Dimitrov, also shown by the Dossier Commission to have been a State Security collaborator.

            The Dossier Commission's investigation into the Foreign Ministry, the results of which were announced on December 14, showed that currently half of Bulgaria's ambassadors to EU and Nato countries and in almost all Balkan states are linked to the former State Security.

            Of all 192 people exposed by Dossier Commission, 88 are currently Foreign Ministry employees. Of these 33 are ambassadors and permanent representatives.
            This is the wanker that said anyone with a name ending in "ski" outside of Bulgaria is Bulgarian.

            Every dog has his day.
            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13670

              Bozhidar Dimitrov is Bulgaria's biggest anti-Macedonian bigot, and the Bulgar's rely on his stupidity for 'evidence' to support their deluded 'cause'. It is no suprise he is caught up in a scandal, being the lying thief that he is.
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • makedonche
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 3242

                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                Bozhidar Dimitrov is Bulgaria's biggest anti-Macedonian bigot, and the Bulgar's rely on his stupidity for 'evidence' to support their deluded 'cause'. It is no suprise he is caught up in a scandal, being the lying thief that he is.
                SoM
                And those are his good points!!!!!!!!
                On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                • Bratot
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2855

                  This is the 'make-up' of the Bulgarian Government but the same face under, and nothing crucial to have changed.

                  Dimitrov worked for the state institutions and what he did and still does was and is part of the Bulgarian institutionalized anti-macedonian propaganda on a state level.

                  All Bulgarian ambasadors are "former" agents of the DS (State Service) where a special department against the "Macedonian nationalism" was set and fuctioned for a 5 decades, now still does but unofficially.
                  The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                  • Onur
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2389

                    Not only the Dimitrov. I heard that about 400 bureaucrats of Bulgaria are former members of the secret service of communist era, including ambassadors, MPs etc. As far as i heard, Borisov government asked for all ~400 people to resign.

                    I think this might be done by a request of US government(maybe EU too). Bulgaria entered under US influence for some time and maybe US government thinks that these former communists still serves to Russians or maybe they are connected with Russian crime organizations. You know, Putin also controls crime organizations of Russia for Russia`s benefit.
                    Last edited by Onur; 12-20-2010, 03:09 PM.

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      When we talk about greece only committing genocide & other things on the Macedonians we forget the Bulgarians.Back in 1913 they wanted to take the whole of Macedonia & history shows they weren't happy with their share.Since then they have allways stated that the macedonians are bulgarian that they have a right to take over the whole area.If we left them then they would probably takeover.The bulgarians are just as bad as the greeks & only wish to harm the macedonians & take over their lands.INDIE you are 100% right again on your analysis.Spot on.You should be commended for hero to the macedonian cause.Please keep it up.
                      Last edited by George S.; 01-22-2011, 11:15 PM. Reason: edit
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • Dimko-piperkata
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1876

                        Bulgarian intellectuals ask UNESCO to stop Macedonia’s misappropriation of Bulgaria..

                        Bulgarian intellectuals ask UNESCO to stop Macedonia’s misappropriation of Bulgaria language, culture

                        Around 20 Bulgarian intellectuals, including three Macedonian Bulgarians, have sent a petition to UNESCO, asking the organisation to stop the misappropriation of the Bulgarian language, history and culture by Macedonia, Skopje-based Kanal 5 TV reports.
                        “The petition, addressed to UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova, who is a Bulgarian, calls for actions and to stop considering the Bulgarian language in Macedonia as Macedonian language,” the television states.
                        “For 65 years now a lie is being spread throughout the world and it is that there is separate Macedonian language, history and culture. We will not hesitate to show the truth to the world. Vardar Macedonia (which is nowadays occupied by Macedonia) has always been a geographic term - indivisible from the Bulgarian culture and history. There are many historical facts, which confirm it,” the letter reads.


                        go home to tataristan where u came from, pirin is macedonian land
                        1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
                        2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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                        • DirtyCodingHabitz
                          Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 835

                          "Vardar Macedonia was occupied by Republic of Macedonia" ahahahaha these people need proper education in Bardovci Psychiatric Hospital.

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                          • fyrOM
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 2180

                            Do you notice depending on the nature and severity of the item different groups or individuals push the subject. If it were always the government any repercussions would be against the country and not easily dismissed as just some individual or group said it. This is where the disunity in the Macedonians around the world fails them. Who is going to respond to this or any similar action…more to the point who has the media pull to make any response public…the umd…I think not.

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                            • Pelister
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2742

                              The wolves are closing in.

                              This is just another reason to stop the negotiations, because clearly the issue has to do with conquest, territory and the identity of the Macedonians.

                              Is Gruevski going to open "negotiations" with the Bulgarians as well now? I wouldn't be surprised. They are that stupid.

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