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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    More reasons of why Germany and France insists keeping Greece alive;

    EU central Bank Member: Greek Restructuring Would Lead To A "True Economic Meltdown"

    A Greek debt restructuring would have a destructive impact, not just in that country, but across the eurozone and in Germany in particular, according to Italian ECB member Lorenzo Bini Smaghi.

    The result of a Greek debt restructuring would be the collapse of Greece's banking system, according to Smaghi, speaking to Italian paper La Stampa. That's because many of the bank's high quality securities would no longer be able to act as collateral when dealing with the ECB. Further, Smaghi says because Greece doesn't control its own central bank, it will have no access to the funds necessary to pay for its spending, including government salaries and pensions. Smaghi describes this event as, "a true economic meltdown."

    Smaghi blames Greece's consideration of a debt restructuring on "investment banks and law firms in search of comissions," who have ignored the bad things that would happen as a result.

    Smaghi also warns of the impact of a restructuring on German banks which remain exposed to Greek debt.

    His comments fall in line with the ECB position, which is strongly against a restructuring. Some sort of soft restructuring, coupled with another bailout, seems the more likely solution, even if domestic German opinion is opposed to any more spending.

    May 10, 2011

    http://www.businessinsider.com/smagh...cturing-2011-5



    Here's Who Gets Slammed If Greece Restructures: http://www.businessinsider.com/greek...bt-2011-5?op=1

    Bulgaria and Romania rely on Greek banks for a large amount of lending, much of which will be cut back in a Greek collapse due to a reliance on government loans. Reliance will shift towards local deposits as a source of lending, but these economies are struggling somewhat themselves.



    When the Greek economy slides, foreign workers from Albania and Bulgaria may lose jobs and stop sending home remittances. Also, FDI to Macedonia (7% of its GDP) and Bulgaria (8% of GDP) will decrease.


    It looks like Macedonia urgently needs new trading partner(s) since most likely Greece wont be able to buy or sell anything with Macedonia in near future. But it looks like when Greece will go bankrupt, Bulgaria will get the most of the aftereffect damage cuz according to the table above, Bulgaria gets most of it`s loan money from Greek banks, equals to ~30% of it`s total GDP!!! If we take account that Greek state owes huge debts to it`s own banks and that means when Greece goes bankrupt, most(if not all) of these banks will go bankrupt too.



    The Complete Guide To The Oncoming Spanish Debt Crisis That Everyone Is Terrified Of: http://www.businessinsider.com/spain...s-2010-11?op=1
    Last edited by Onur; 05-13-2011, 01:04 PM.

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      the ripple effect from the eu debts is feeled all the way to australia.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Onur
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2389

        CIA report; "Rebellion and/or a coup is quite possible in Greece"

        German newspaper, Bild wrote that in a CIA report, there are talks of some kind of rebellion and/or a coup d`etat is quite possible for Greece in coming months.

        The article is in German. This is google translation;

        Secret fears turmoil and violence, Greece breaks for the crisis?




        In Greece, a new wave of protest has begun - and with it comes the fear back facing new troubles!




        The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency now warns in a report even before an uncontrolled situation in the country broke!

        The opinion states, in Greece it will increasingly come to serious unrest, there is even talk of a possible coup.

        The CIA's conclusion: The tough austerity measures and the dire situation can escalate the situation, Athens will make it hard to get the country still under control.

        The secret talks of "rebellion" and "violence" that would develop in the coming months.

        Breaks GREECE TO THE CRISIS?

        Fact: Even now, every day people go back to the streets, rioting and violence, it always comes back.

        In a suburb of Athens, gave residents of the street battles with police.

        In downtown Athens, the crime is increasing.

        The mayor of Athens, Giorgos Kaminis, warned against civil war-like conditions.

        Kaminis: "There is a risk that appears in a short time Athens as the Lebanese capital Beirut in the seventies."

        Meanwhile, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), EU countries asked to provide financial assurances for Greece. Otherwise, the IMF could provide no help Greece to serve, said an IMF spokeswoman.

        This is to ensure that the common tool for the highly indebted country is fully funded.

        The recent discussions of the Fund in Athens had focused on economic adjustment measures and should ensure that there are no financing gaps, stressed the spokeswoman.

        European Union, European Central Bank and the IMF are currently reviewing whether Greece fulfills all the conditions for further aid from the bailout.

        For today, the Greek President Karolos Papoulis has convened a special meeting of the Cabinet. Background of strong pressure from the EU and the IMF to implement the savings program.

        27.05.2011

        http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/g...2150.bild.html

        If that happens, i hope it wouldn't be some kind of fascist colonel junta regime like in 1970s because this would bring their doom this time.

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          looks like more of the same.I think it's going to be a complete c0llapse.
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • Onur
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2389

            These are the latest developments about Greece;

            According to their agreement, IMF should give 12 billion Euros to Greece in June but IMF authorities said that they are considering to stop funding Greece because of their low performance on meeting the important criterias of their loan agreement. Greek finance minister says "If the money does not come until July, we are broke";

            Greece Aid Is Under Threat, Europe Finance Chief Says

            top euro-zone policy maker suggested the International Monetary Fund may withhold its next payment on Greece's €110 billion ($155 billion) bailout, rattling financial markets with questions about whether a new Greek payments crisis is imminent.

            Luxembourg Premier Jean-Claude Juncker, who heads the conclave of euro-zone finance ministers, suggested Thursday that an important review of the bailout program might conclude that Greece doesn't have enough loan commitments to carry it through the next 12 months.

            If that happens, he said, the IMF's rules could stop the fund from contributing its share of the next slug of bailout money, due to be paid out to Greece on June 29.

            IMF spokeswoman Caroline Atkinson said Thursday in Washington that the fund generally doesn't lend if there are gaps in financing, and that it was seeking reassurance from the euro-zone countries who are also lending to Greece. The IMF is providing €30 billion of the €110 billion facility, with the balance provided by euro-zone countries.

            The German government has been proposing to fill Greece's finance gap without providing more loans, by asking holders of Greek bonds maturing in the next couple of years to agree to postpone their repayments.

            The practicality of the approach has been questioned by analysts, who question whether many bondholders would volunteer to delay repayments. The ECB vociferously opposes it. The bank has threatened to reject bonds that have been treated in this way as collateral for its loans to banks.

            A host of top policy makers at the ECB, which has already stretched its rules to buy Greek and other government bonds and relaxed its collateral rules for Greek banks, has made clear that they don't want the central bank to have the burden of rescuing the struggling euro-zone economy. That, they say, is a job for Greece and, if necessary, other governments.

            Analysts say the ECB's threat is devastating: Rejecting Greek bonds as ECB collateral would cut off a lifeline of central bank liquidity from Greek banks and pose problems for others in the euro zone. That could bring on another phase of the banking crisis in Europe and accelerate the current slow deposit flight from Greek banks.

            It isn't only the ECB that has stuck its neck out for Greece. The IMF has too, by claiming, until now, that Greece's debt burden is sustainable—even as its forecasts suggest the debt burden will rise to a monstrous 160% of gross domestic product.

            MAY 27, 2011

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...EFTTopWhatNews


            Dutch, German and Finnish authorities already announced that they wont give any money to Greece if IMF stops transferring the funds to Greece;

            No more aid for Greece if IMF does not give Athens a new tranche of loans-Dutch PM

            The Netherlands said it will not agree to more aid for Greece if the International Monetary Fund does not give Athens a new tranche of loans, adding to worries over a public IMF-EU dispute over euro zone bailouts.

            Markets were spooked as European stocks extended losses and safe haven bond futures gained on Thursday after Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of euro zone finance ministers, said the IMF may withhold the next slice of aid to Greece due next month.

            Juncker added the IMF expected the European Union to step in if it were unable to release the June aid tranche, but that this would not work as parliaments such as in Germany, Finland and the Netherlands were not prepared to do that.

            "We are looking very carefully at what the IMF does ... and if they don't say a new tranche in loans should go the Greeks, then we won't either," Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte said on Thursday in a video placed on website youtube.com.

            Rutte added the IMF will only approve more aid if the Greeks fulfil promises, "really deliver" on repayments and bring their state finances under control.

            Dutch Finance Minister Jan Kees de Jager had previously told Reuters that the Dutch parliament would not give its approval to new European Union aid without commitments from Greece enabling it to meet targets set by the IMF.

            May 26, 2011

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74P27K20110526

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            • Makedonska_Kafana
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 2642

              Good job Onur, thank you
              http://www.makedonskakafana.com

              Macedonia for the Macedonians

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              • rosetta
                Banned
                • May 2011
                • 68

                The Greek Army is structured and politicized in a way that it is impossible (essentially, practically, technically) to commit a military coup (e.g. the soldiers are allowed to defy such orders). The danger of a coup in Greece stopped being a realistic option since early 1980s (about the time Evren’s coup d’ etat was held in Turkey).

                Actually, the last reported attempt (named by historians as pajamas coup) was such a failure, that most Greeks are unaware of the incident.
                Greece is familiar with all sorts of civil unrest, but as French May ‘68 shows, these urban pseudo-revolts are easily treated in democracies, with an answer like “Anybody has a problem? So, let’s go to elections”.

                I hope my small fortune of 40,000 Euros is safe in the Greek banks.

                Thanks for your concern and interest in Greece.

                (Looking from the window). No tanks out there.

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  Modern greece is a total basket case, the current crisis is merely scratching the surface of a multitude of problems that inflict this pseudo construct and its sadly deluded citizens and totally fucked up diaspora...

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                  • lavce pelagonski
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1993

                    The Macedonians there should find this time the best to make this an ethnic issue to, with the Turks and Albanians.
                    Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                    „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                    • Niko777
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1895

                      Could Greece turn into another Eqypt, or Libya?

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                      • Zarni
                        Banned
                        • May 2011
                        • 672

                        I read Greece is Selling all of it National assests they are selling Shop. I hope this Country feels more and more pain they deserve it for what they contunue to force Macedonians through

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                        • rujnovino
                          Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 114

                          Originally posted by rosetta View Post
                          The Greek Army is structured and politicized in a way that it is impossible (essentially, practically, technically) to commit a military coup (e.g. the soldiers are allowed to defy such orders). The danger of a coup in Greece stopped being a realistic option since early 1980s (about the time Evren’s coup d’ etat was held in Turkey).
                          Rosetta, what is it about the "structure" of the Greek army that makes a coup impossible?

                          Soldiers around the world can technically defy orders the break certain rules, but in real terms that is meaningless - soldiers in any army have every incentive to follow orders and every disincentive to break them.

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                          • Zarni
                            Banned
                            • May 2011
                            • 672

                            Rosetta's reasoning is typical hogwash, I have an interest in her State not existing it shouldnt exist.

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                            • Stojacanec
                              Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 809

                              Originally posted by rosetta View Post
                              The Greek Army is structured and politicized in a way that it is impossible (essentially, practically, technically) to commit a military coup (e.g. the soldiers are allowed to defy such orders). The danger of a coup in Greece stopped being a realistic option since early 1980s (about the time Evren’s coup d’ etat was held in Turkey).

                              Actually, the last reported attempt (named by historians as pajamas coup) was such a failure, that most Greeks are unaware of the incident.
                              Greece is familiar with all sorts of civil unrest, but as French May ‘68 shows, these urban pseudo-revolts are easily treated in democracies, with an answer like “Anybody has a problem? So, let’s go to elections”.

                              I hope my small fortune of 40,000 Euros is safe in the Greek banks.

                              Thanks for your concern and interest in Greece.

                              (Looking from the window). No tanks out there.
                              Don't look outside your window, just look at the writing on the wall. Greece gets $120B loan, why because they are in financially crippled.

                              Now Greeks don't like the loan conditions they must meet. That is a recipe for disaster.

                              You don't need tanks to stuff up a country, just poor fiscal policy.

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                              • Louis Riel
                                Member
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 190

                                όσο νωρίτερα τόσο το καλύτερο

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