Financial Crisis in Greece

[Serdarot]

are they aware at all, that their puppet state would not exist today, if the germans didnt bailed them last year?

let aside the creation of the greece by the germans and stuff, there is 1 year since they got over 20 billions of german tax money...

[Makedonetz]

isnt this the typical greek mantality? use them for their advantages, jump in bed with them. When they get what they want they kick them out of their beds and wait for the next handout.

[Dimko-piperkata]

translated with google

http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Farticle12140825%2FWesterwelle-empoert-ueber-griechische-Klage.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Westerwelle outraged over Greek action

An action for damages by victims against Nazi Germany Causes Controversy. Außenminister Westerwelle geht auf Konfrontationskurs zu Griechenland. Westerwelle in confrontation with Greece.

Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle has criticized the decision of Greece keen to support a claim for compensation of victims of German war crimes in World War II. "I did not understand the decision of the Greek government," said the FDP politician. For two years before the International Court of Justice is no compensation mechanism between Germany and Italy, will now also join Greece.



The inhabitants of the central Greek town Distomo had previously joined an action before an Italian court that they, like the Italian applicants kindly, compensation for a 1944 massacre committed by German troops. On 10 Juni 1944 wurden in Distomo 214 Einwohner ermordet. June 1944 were murdered in Distomo 214 inhabitants.

Westerwelle: "It threatens legal uncertainty"
"In Germany we are aware of our responsibility for our history," said Westerwelle. "And we are also aware of the particular suffering of the people of Greece during the Second World War." The Federal Government would, however, by its position and was confident that the right to their interpretation of the law court will prevail.

"As for complaints against the Federal Republic, we expect that internationally recognized principles of law and in particular Germany's immunity be respected as a state," said Wester next wave. "This principle is undermined, the whole community threatens legal uncertainty."

German institutions could be seized
According to the ruling of the Italian court, Germany has nine bereaved families of victims of an SS massacre of Civitella to pay one million euros compensation. Therefore, the seizure threatened the German government property, such as bodies of the Goethe Institute in Italy and the Villa Vigoni.

The German view, however, all claims were settled already in the contracts. Why fight Germany and Italy - and now Greece - before the International Court of Justice. The federal government relies on the international principle of state immunity. By the sovereign immunity act of public authority was protected for example by the army.

The Greek decision to join Italy's position was to, honor the memory of those who gave their lives for their country, said the Greek Prime Minister Giorgos Papandreou.

The International Court in The Hague, Italy and Germany by 14 January given time to submit comments.

[George S.]

well as soon as the german citizens wake up to what greece has done & is doing then the aid will stop.

[Big Bad Sven]

I think this is fantastic news, anything that will make the average german hate the ungratefull and lazy grk is good.

It will hopefully make the regular german angry and give more pressure to the german government to stop supporting grease, and lets face it, no matter how bad or disrespectful grease is to western europe they will still always get help as western european created grease by amalmagating turks,vlach,albanians, macedonians etc. They dont want to see their little failed experiment die

[George S.]

bbs you are spot on the fucking grks can hand macedonia back to the macedonians.

[The LION will ROAR]

Greece Running Out of People to Strike...



Workers in public transport, doctors, lawyers and pharmacists in Greece Wednesday begin three-day strike against government austerity measures.

There will be no buses or trolley buses operating today and tomorrow between 11 a.m. and 3.30 p.m. as transport workers protesting the government’s plans to streamline their services continue their action.

Meanwhile a 48-hour strike by train drivers employed by the debt-ridden Hellenic Railways Organization (OSE) will halt all services nationwide today and tomorrow.

Pharmacies across Greece will be closed from today until the end of the week in protest at the government’s plans to liberalize the sector. Lawyers will also be on strike from today until the end of the week in protest at the measures drawn up by the government to open up their profession to more competition.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/17403/46/

[Onur]

Confessions of the head admiral of Greek marine corps. The leader of the soldiers who chants in the streets of Athens.

The article is written by the admiral himself but unfortunately it`s in Greek only and this is the google translation but you can get the point;

"The war is over ... And we're losers."

The Frigates Corvettes seems to be the reflections of the Ministry of Defence and the Pol.Naftikou. Personal and current economic conditions, I rhetorical dilemma without much real meaning. It is generally known that the weapon systems primarily used to prevent and attendant since become unavoidable for the conduct of war. And the war among the many scourges, is the dominant effect of economic impoverishment and bankruptcy of the losers, which is the ultimate challenge, to succumb to the demands of the winner.

In Greece, I believe that all those currently consumed in strategic analysis (or the media, either the House or cafes), few have realized that Greco-Turkish war, the prospect of which has nurtured several generations of neo, finished and that we definitely the losers.

The fact that we have not cede sovereignty is favorable for us, currently, international politico-economic situation involved financially strong countries and organizations, the IMF and the EU, and any intent to support the failure of the euro in the "battle" against the dollar.

If you do not realize in time that The essential defensive arsenal us not the naval station, airports and camps, but indicators of economic prosperity and growth and as Greece remain confined to a political, social and economic concepts Third World countries Then I am afraid that is about to be lost and the Greek-Albanian and Greek-Bulgarian and why not the Ellino-skopianos war.

I know very well that we have turned its back on Hellenistic culture and our origins The interests of Greek-Christian lesion. However, if an attempted reopening of the Greek classic will find that Sophocles prophetically advised that "with our neighbor we must have peace ,.... war must have with our mistakes". Let us hear from even afterwards, because over time the errors are endless and our urgent need of peaceful co-existence have.

That being all numerical, of course, remains the thought the Corvettes Frigates ? As a former Chief of Pol.Naftikou and having been a staunch supporter of the need to renew our aging fleet with new units, I think only criterion should be the most economical solution and this will provide us with the strongest international political and economic underpinnings of course in our struggle for economic recovery and subsequent national survival.

Recriminations about the size or specifications of the vessel and the capabilities of weapons systems, are in my opinion, if well-intentioned, but anermatistes views marginalized concepts, the sole purpose of which, albeit unintentional, leads to the accumulation of black money in Funds of intermediaries and of course the political parties.

The war is over, let's pick up any debris to us.

ANTONIS ANTONIADIS
Honorary A / GENERAL

http://www.onalert.gr/default.php?pn...=6&art_id=2641

Greek general says that he was once the strong supporter of buying new equipments to the Greek army but now he proposes Greece to be friendly towards his neighbors!!! but question is who trusts your friendship from now on and while says that few years ago, he was strongly supporting competition with Turkey in terms of military capabilities?

I couldn't properly understand that part but he is also talking about losing the war vs Macedonia(ellino-skopianos war);

The essential defensive arsenal us not the naval station, airports and camps, but indicators of economic prosperity and growth and as Greece remain confined to a political, social and economic concepts Third World countries Then I am afraid that is about to be lost and the Greek-Albanian and Greek-Bulgarian and why not the Ellino-skopianos war.

[fyrOM]

Do I hear opportunity knocking…if Macedonian rail can get some of the Macedonian routs on the cheep and do your own freight and passenger.

International trains towards Greece to stop in Macedonia

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/17556/45/

Friday, 11 February 2011

Greece has temporarily halted railway traffic towards neighboring countries, Macedonian Railways said in a press release.

As of Saturday, trains en route Belgrade-Skopje-Solun will stop in Skopje, and depart from Skopje to Belgrade.

The Greek Railways board of directors said this interruption comes as a result of the current economic situation in the country, as well as its liabilities to creditors, which ask the railway company to operate only with profitable routes.

With regards to finding real marketing opportunities for the profitability of these railway links, all neighboring railway administrations have been invited for meetings over the issue.

[George S.]

Ozimak greece is not in a position to choose looks like macedonia may get something out of it.In regards to violence on the streets in greece that is not the answer.They need to nutt out their diferences & find an acceptable solution.

[fyrOM]

Ozimak greece is not in a position to choose looks like macedonia may get something out of it.In regards to violence on the streets in greece that is not the answer.They need to nutt out their diferences & find an acceptable solution.

Gees George S if I just had a red nukem button hahahaha…I don’t believe I was advocating violence in the streets…I was only saying maybe Macedonia can score some cheap rail lines in Egej Macedonia and maybe use it for their advantage to transport goods at more favorable rates and forge ties between both parts of Macedonia.

But now that you mention it…Id never say no to seeing a more violence between themselves the more the better do posleden….here’s to hoping ehh.

[George S.]

i didn't say you were they allready are fighting like you say one nuke will solve it all.Blow them up to smithereens ozimak.I'm happy to see them fighting amongst themselves because that means they are truly fucked up.It could be a revolution of the people.

[George S.]

Greece slams 'unacceptable' EU-IMF asset sale call

Greece slams 'unacceptable' EU-IMF asset sale call
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou on Saturday accused EU and IMF officials of "unacceptable behaviour" over demands for a 50-billion-euro asset sale to ease Greece's crushing debts.

Papandreou's office said he had personally complained to International Monetary Fund director Dominique Strauss-Kahn over the "unacceptable behaviour" of European Union, IMF and European Central Bank experts monitoring Greece's economic reforms.

Papandreou also called EU economic affairs commissioner Olli Rehn, the prime minister's office said, and is also reportedly planning similar protests to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet.

After a quarterly audit found a revenue shortfall and reforms at risk of slowing down, the EU, IMF and ECB on Friday told Athens to start selling state assets and speed up reforms to keep its tortuous recovery on track.

"It is well known that there is huge potential for privatisation," European Commission representative Servaas Deroose told a news conference.

"A comprehensive plan through 2015 will be finalised... aiming at proceeds of 50 billion euros ($68 billion) between 2011 and 2015," he said.

Out of that total, to be used for debt reduction, 15 billion euros is to come in the next two years, the EU official said.

"The behaviour of the European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank representatives... was unacceptable," government spokesman George Petalotis said in an earlier statement.

"We asked them to help and are fully meeting our obligations. But we did not ask anybody to meddle in the internal matters of the country," he said.

Greek newspapers and opposition parties were equally scathing but many also took a swipe at the ruling Socialists for bargaining with the EU, the IMF and the ECB, the 'troika' supervising Greece's recovery from near bankruptcy.

"The troika demanded and is taking away whatever it wants in (terms of) companies, water and land," said the centre-left Eleftherotypia daily while pro-government Ta Nea was headlined: "The 'bosses' have gone crazy!"

"State property on debt altar," commented the liberal Kathimerini daily while conservative Eleftheros Typos said that Greece was "On Sale".

The main opposition New Democracy party accused the government of "hypocrisy", noting that the finance ministry had initially released a document approving the 50-billion sale plan, and it called for the finance minister's removal.

The Greek government had originally planned to privatise state assets worth seven billion euros over three years.

It announced in November a sale list including four Airbus A340 jets and stakes in one of the country's top casinos and in public-owned defence, train and mining companies.

"We are in need but we also have limits," Petalotis said on Saturday.

"We will not bargain the limits of our dignity with anybody. We only take orders from the Greek people," he said, adding that no state land would be sold.

Greece's public debt stands at around 300 billion euros after years of large public deficits that in 2009 stood at 15.4 percent of output, more than five times the allowed EU level.

The government has already endured a wave of social anger over unprecedented wage cuts and tax hikes last year to reduce the public deficit by six percent of output, a huge correction by any standards.

Its objective is to bring the deficit to below three percent of output -- the level mandated under EU rules -- by 2014.

A planned extension of austerity reforms to 2015, two years after the government's current mandate, has prompted speculation that the government could call early elections.

According to Ta Nea, one key factor is an EU summit in March that will determine whether Greece will secure a repayment extension on its rescue loan.

"Early elections are high in Papandreou's agenda... Much will be decided in the next 45 days," Ta Nea said.

[George S.]

Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou (L) talks with Eurogroup's chairman Jean-Claude Juncker during their meeting in Athens on February 8. Papandreou on Saturday accused EU and IMF officials of "unacceptable behaviour" over demands for a 50-billion-euro asset sale to ease Greece's crushing debts.Is greece blaming the eu for the debt.Maybe they should be thrown out of the eu for defaulting & avoiding payment,the eu can just grab anything to satisfy payment.

[Onur]

50 billion Euro is too much. I think they have to sell all the public assets to be able to collect this amount of money. Maybe even the presidential seat of Papandreu himself in his room!!!

Only last year, they took more than 100 billion Euro debt tough, so they got no other chance than this. We can say that Greece will be owned by few money barons in 3-4 years years of time.

Good news for us;
Greek government gave long-time payback credits to some Greeks with incredibly low interest rates and they built some small factories in western Thrace. Turks of western Thrace are working there and they were doing pressure on them to not to vote for Turkish candidates in the elections, otherwise they were threatening them to fire. I heard that all these factories has been closed because of economical crises and unemployment rate reached 25%+ in western Thrace. I`ve read from our newspapers that Turkish people from Turkey will buy all these factories and we will save our people from their grasp.