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  • Stojacanec
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 809

    Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
    UNICEF: Over 400.000 children live under poverty line in Greece


    Athens, 4 April 2012 (MIA) - Some 439,000 children now live under the poverty line in Greece – the equivalent of 23% of the total population compared to an average 20.5% in other European countries, reads a report by the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF).

    The report cited the growing number of cases of underfed children fainting in schools, saying poverty was more pronounced in single-parent families.

    The poverty levels are more stunning given Greece's dramatically declining population. Children as a proportion of the country's population have dwindled from 32% in 1961 to 17.4% in 2011, according to the report. More than a third of Greece's entire population are living under the poverty line compared to a fifth before the outbreak of the crisis.
    I don't care about Greece's poverty situation. Macedonia has always lived in poverty. This is just a reality check for the new Greek state.

    And to think that Greece does whatever possible to hinder Macedonia’s progress gives me a sense of karma....praying does help.

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    • molika
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 76

      I would like to dedicate this karma quote to all greeks suffering today and tomorrow

      "Dangerous consequences will follow when politicians and rulers forget moral principles. Whether we believe in God or karma, ethics is the foundation of every religion." by Tenzin Gyatso

      Read more: http://www.finestquotes.com/select_q...#ixzz1r8ytKggk

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      • molika
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 76

        and this one


        Worthless people blame their karma

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        • makedonche
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 3242

          Originally posted by molika View Post
          I would like to dedicate this karma quote to all greeks suffering today and tomorrow

          "Dangerous consequences will follow when politicians and rulers forget moral principles. Whether we believe in God or karma, ethics is the foundation of every religion." by Tenzin Gyatso

          Read more: http://www.finestquotes.com/select_q...#ixzz1r8ytKggk
          Molika
          Great quote!
          On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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          • makedonche
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 3242

            Originally posted by molika View Post
            and this one


            Worthless people blame their karma
            Molika
            I like this one too!
            On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              You can't be a civilised people if you steal & cheat & take what does not belong to you.That just about sums up greece.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • Brian
                Banned
                • Oct 2011
                • 1130

                Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                UNICEF: Over 400.000 children live under poverty line in Greece


                Athens, 4 April 2012 (MIA) - Some 439,000 children now live under the poverty line in Greece – the equivalent of 23% of the total population compared to an average 20.5% in other European countries, reads a report by the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF).

                The report cited the growing number of cases of underfed children fainting in schools, saying poverty was more pronounced in single-parent families.
                Consider the BS staring you in the face -
                IF 23% of Greek children are in poverty and fainting in school
                and
                IF 20.5% (notice broadly 1/5 in each case) of other European countries are in poverty
                then
                Where are the news reports of children fainting in eg Spain or Italy or Germany, ect or anywhere??? With them (other Europeans) being in the European average would you not have heard of multiple dire straits stories from these countries by now???

                On the one hand the article tries to garner sympathy for the Greek children by including a dramatic situation of fainting in class and poverty to 1/5 children yet blows their own point by saying the European average is also about 1/5

                so
                the Greeks are about on par with poverty in Europe after being taken down a few notches but are less resilient than other Europeans??? BS 1.
                also
                'poverty' by a lot of these 'studies' include you in if your parents didn't buy you an X-box or bicycle for Christmas and NOT the '1930's soup kitchen' most people imagine poverty to mean. BS 2.
                and
                by the way, where is the all mighty and super rich Greek church to step in, or does charity only work in other countries??? - do Greeks even know what a Salvation Army is let alone have one? I guess the high-life of the last 20 years never permitted them to create one and the endless flow of gravy for 20 years made them forget to 'save for a rainy day'? Trading in your Mercedes for an Opal or Skoda must really be hard, anyone want to rattle a few tins for them?

                And some malaka shoots himself in the head in his 70's because he was worried about leaving his children in debt - WTF?-1, His children would be in their 30's or 40's if not older - are they also useless wankers? and WTF?-2, if you havent secured yourself a roof over your head, some decent cloths and a bit aside to at least pay basic bills and basic food WTF did you do for 70 years? - Ouzo, Zorba music and kicking-back?

                Violent Protests in Greece over Debt Suicide



                05 April 2012
                The pensioner, named locally as Dimitris Christoulas, shot himself with a handgun a few hundred yards from the Greek parliament, which has been the focus of numerous violent protests against tough austerity measures in recent months. Witnesses report he claimed to be concerned about leaving his children in debt before he took his own life.

                Pensions in Greece have been slashed by up to a quarter as part of harsh austerity measures designed to bring down the country's deficit and qualify it for bailout packages from the EU and IMF.

                (and how much are pensions in Greece Vs Australia aged pension???)

                In a suicide note left at the scene the man said the Government had "nullified any chance of my survival which was based on a decent salary that for 35 years I alone (without state support) paid for".


                Rest of article in Link.
                Last edited by Brian; 04-05-2012, 04:52 PM.

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670



                  (ATHENS, Greece) — Riot police fired tear gas and flash grenades after protests attended by some 1,500 people turned violent, and youths hurled rocks and petrol bombs outside Parliament. Authorities reported no injuries or arrests.

                  The 77-year-old retired pharmacist drew a handgun and shot himself in the head near a subway exit on central Syntagma Square which was crowded with commuters, police said. The square, opposite Parliament, has become the focal point of frequent public protests against Greece's two-year austerity campaign.

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                  The incident, during morning rush hour, jolted public opinion and quickly entered political debate, with the prime minister and the heads of both parties backing Greece's governing coalition expressing sorrow.

                  "A pharmacist ought to be able to live comfortably on his pension," said Vassilis Papadopoulos, a spokesman for the "I won't pay" group. "So for him to reach the point of suicide out of economic hardship means a lot. It shows how the social fabric is unraveling."

                  Greece has relied on international rescue loans since May 2010. To secure them, Athens implemented harsh austerity measures, slashing pensions and salaries while repeatedly raising taxes. But the belt-tightening worsened the recession and led to thousands of job losses that left one in five Greeks unemployed.

                  "As a Greek, I am truly shocked," Dimitris Giannopoulos, an Athens doctor, said before the protest. "I am shocked because I see that (the government is) destroying my dignity ... and the only thing they care about are bank accounts."

                  Police said a handwritten note was found on the retired pharmacist's body in which he attributed his decision to the debt crisis.

                  According to a text of the note published by local media, the man said the government had made it impossible for him to survive on the pension he had paid into for 35 years. "I find no other solution than a dignified end before I start searching through the trash for food," read the note. Police did not confirm whether it was genuine.

                  Greece has seen an increase in suicides over the past two years of economic hardship, during which the country repeatedly teetered on the brink of bankruptcy.

                  Police did not release the pharmacist's name and offered few other details.

                  By Wednesday evening, dozens of written messages had been pinned to the tree under which the man shot himself, some reading: "It was a murder, not a suicide," and "Austerity kills."

                  Hundreds of protesters made their way across the street from the square to outside Parliament and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, chanting: "This was not a suicide, it was a state-perpetrated murder" and "Blood flows and seeks revenge."

                  (PHOTOS: Egyptian Protests Continue After Deadly Soccer Riot)


                  Dozens of riot police stood guard.

                  Papadopoulos, the protest organizer, said the suicide shows Greeks can take no more austerity.

                  "This suicide is political in nature and heavy in symbolism. It's not like a suicide at home," Papadopoulos said in a telephone interview. "There was a political suicide note, and it happened in front of a clearly political site, Parliament, where the austerity measures are approved."

                  Prime Minister Lucas Papademos issued a statement as protesters gathered at the site of the suicide.

                  "It is tragic for one of our fellow citizens to end his life," he said. "In these difficult hours for our society we must all — the state and the citizens — support the people among us who are desperate."

                  Government spokesman Pantelis Kapsis described the incident as "a human tragedy," but said it should not become part of the political debate.

                  "I don't know the exact circumstances that led that man to his act," Kapsis said. "I believe we must all remain calm and show respect for the true events, which we do not yet fully know."

                  Evangelos Venizelos, leader of the Socialist party, said the suicide "is so overwhelming that it renders any political comment unbecoming and cheap."

                  "Let us reflect on the condition of the country and of our society in terms of solidarity and cohesion," said Venizelos, who served as finance minister for eight months before resigning to lead the Socialists.

                  Conservative party head Antonis Samaras said the tragedy highlighted the urgency of getting Greece out of the crisis.

                  "Unfortunately, this is not the first (suicide)," he said. "They have reached record levels."

                  More protests are planned Thursday.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • razmkd
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 13

                    Our name is macedonia

                    Our name is Macedonia - YouTube

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                    • Zarni
                      Banned
                      • May 2011
                      • 672

                      Greek police available for rent



                      THE cash-strapped Greek state is now looking to a new way of raising revenues - renting out its policemen at an hourly rate of 30 euros, with patrol cars going for 10 euros more.

                      This will ``pay for the cost of using police material and infrastructure, and allow to modernise them'', the ministry of citizen protection which is in charge of the country's security services said in a statement overnight.

                      Such police services used in ``exceptional cases'' such as in escorting the transportation of dangerous material or art works, were previously offered free of charge, said the ministry.

                      But now, hourly fees of 200 euros (260 dollars) will be charged for patrol boats and 1,500 euros for helicopters, according to Sunday newspaper Proto Thema, which revealed the internal reform.

                      The ministry said it would only accept such rentals if they do not affect the security forces' operational capacity.

                      Greece has a total public debt of over 350 billion euros, and was twice forced to obtain bailout funds from the European Union and International Monetary Fund to stave off bankruptcy.

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                      • Risto the Great
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15658

                        Cool, perhaps we can hire them to put up (real) Macedonian flags in Greece.
                        Risto the Great
                        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                        • Bij
                          Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 905

                          they'd be useless anyway, sitting around to have a smoke and drink a frappe. pfft

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                          • Brian
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 1130

                            What's happening in the EU is a crime.
                            Like any crime the 'Cui Bono' ie who benefits test needs to be applied.
                            In a stabing or shooting follow the drops of blood, in a financial crime follow the money.

                            Does Israel leverage Europe?

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                            This article is a dire warning shot to Europe – spotting the harm coming its way, which has already riddled Israel over the last 5 decades, thus serving a precursor to similar abuse heading in Europe's direction. In that regard extending beyond our 20.3.2012 article: Spring 2012: the springboard to Global conquest

                            ***
                            Does Wall-Street's campaign of global destabilization shift now from the Arab-Spring of year 2011 to the European Sting of year 2012? It now seems more realistic than ever before, that the 80 Billion USD under Stanley Fisher's (mis)management in the so called "Bank of Israel" are parked in the "Fed" for no interest and thereafter leveraged up to ,say, 3 Trillion USD, with which the "Fed" bank-rolls the FIGSIP (Frogs and PIGSI) further down the road to impoverishment, by means of "default swaps" which smokescreen their desperate need to be declared bankrupt, which is the last resort in order to keep their functional-order going.

                            The Israeli Pump

                            About 3/4 of those 80 Billion USD have been collected from the open local markets in exchange for FIAT shekels issued out of thin air, thus achieving several effects:
                            1. Collecting an underlying treasure, denominated in USD, for the "Fed"
                            to leverage on, given the money is raised overseas.
                            2. Propping up a real-estate bubble in Israel, by means of imported hard currency
                            which is then converted to Shekels in order to make the actual purchase.
                            This bubble which makes the local plutocracy richer than ever before while
                            enthralling the wider society in an interest serfdom, bound to bring Israel to its
                            Geopolitical knees like happened during the 1980's, when following the Banks'
                            collapse of year 1983, came the "Intifada" where by Israel let the lowest grade of
                            rioters to tear the country apart and import Globalist machinations of terrorism: first the Egypt-backed PLO and then the Iran-backed Hamas \ Islamic Jihad.

                            Money people owned mostly in the western countries during the last housing bubble they experienced, was moved over to the Israeli housing bubble which followed, where those western hard currencies have been collected in the form of USD and transferred to the “Fed” in the USA. This is much of the alleged “reserve” Israel holds and which doesn't seem to bear interest and which doesn't contribute to urgent needs like vastly derailed firefighting capacity around the periphery.

                            The Israeli Dump

                            It is some 50 years now that Israel (disputed territories included) turn in to an overloaded ecosystem, already quite an ecologic catastrophe, with a population 10 times its available agricultural potential. On the one hand this theoretic shortage in land inspires the propaganda which supports the housing bubble, which has sprung virulently in the years 2007-2010. This happened when the housing bubble in the western world imploded, proving it couldn't be a participating reflection of the situation in the west.

                            This ecological disaster suggests what happens to an otherwise balanced modern economy when it is being overwhelmed by mass immigration from 3rd world countries (Arabs and Jews alike), which is initially welcomed as cheap labor – while baring any consideration for the future generations.

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                            • George S.
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10116

                              i like that video niko thanks for putting it up.
                              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                              GOTSE DELCEV

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                              • lavce pelagonski
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 1993

                                Too bad I didnt see it the vid has been deleted.
                                Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                                „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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