Nikola Gruevski

[Rogi]

Oh, so now you don't like it and you seem to understand it? Finally. Now we can make progress.

[Oxi]

So its ok for someone to claim something that they are not? Let us see what progress can be made on this assumption of self determination and identity.

[Rogi]

It seems you still fail to grasp the concept of Human Rights and that of self-determination.

[Oxi]

Human rights and self determination apply to the Hellenes as well Rogi.

[Rogi]

Human rights and self determination apply to the Hellenes as well Rogi.

What do you mean by 'as well'?

First you need to understand and respect the Human Rights and the Right to self-determination of the Macedonians in order for there to be an 'as well'.

You see, when we de-construct your identity and tell you that you're really not a Greek, you don't like it and then you support the Right to self-determination.

But if we don't do that and just let you be Greeks, as you claim to be and want to be - why is it you can't seem to let us be what we are, Macedonians?

[Oxi]

You see, when we de-construct your identity and tell you that you're really not a Greek, you don't like it and then you support the Right to self-determination.

But if we don't do that and just let you be Greeks, as you claim to be and want to be - why is it you can't seem to let us be what we are, Macedonians?

Why is it that you have to de construct a Greeks identity in order for you to be Macedonian. It should not come into the equation. You are what you are. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter, you are what you want to be and have every right to believe what you want, eh Rogi.

[Rogi]

Ok, so now we have made some progress...

So then based on what you've written, you accept us as Macedonians, right?
As should your country, right?

Because the Macedonians aren't the ones denying the Greeks, it's the other way around.

[Soldier of Macedon]

This topic is about Gruevski, if somebody is looking for 'Hellenes' perhaps they should be diverted to the former Bavarian Kingdom.

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/15855/

Encouraging words by Gruevski.

[Pelister]

Funny, I think Bulgarian is a dialect of Macedonian.
And given the fact that Bulgarians learned the language from the local inhabitants of mostly Macedonia ... history backs up my assertion.

New evidence, actually old evidence newly discovered has basically put an end to the question of whether the modern Bulgarians speak a Macedonian dialect or not.

p.220
According to the Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences, the Eastern Macedonian dialects became the basis for the Bulgarian literary language

And this:

p. 6 and p.45
It was up to Dr Elias Rigg, an American missionary to determine in which dialect they must translate the Bible - that which was spoken in central Macedonia, or the one spoken in Eastern Macedonia. Dr Rigg's decided to use the Eastern Macedonian dialect. The Bible was translated into colloquial Macedonian dialect, and was circulated throughout Bulgaria, Thrace and Macedonia

Source: The Truth about Macedonia, American Missionaries in Macedonia, Indiana, U.S.A, 1964

The Eastern Macedonian dialect was raped - it was given an incongruous identity, i.e., a false name and heritage and although it was a Macedonian dialect, was forever to be associated and connected with the Bulgarian ecclesiastical mission in Macedonia. So its no wonder that Macedonians were confused.

[Demos]

http://balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/15855/

Encouraging words by Gruevski.

All this talk about Greece somehow resembling Nazi Germany and Macedonia being a modern Czechslovakia just makes Gruevski nothing more than a pariah of the Saakasvilli type. Both are around the same age and it's obvious both are nothing more than amateur politicians who talk a big game, but can't walk the walk.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Bla, bla, bla.

Isn't it time you read the new doctored script by your Karaman-lee and Vlakoyani masters? Seriously, the same dribble, apart from being tiresome to read, only serves to transcend the idiocy regularly displayed by people like you. You have been beaten around like a whipped dog in the history and opinion sections, and now here you are, take a break, bins don't get picked up until tomorrow and you're already overflowing with garbage.

[Demos]

Bla, bla, bla.

Isn't it time you read the new doctored script by your Karaman-lee and Vlakoyani masters? Seriously, the same dribble, apart from being tiresome to read, only serves to transcend the idiocy regularly displayed by people like you. You have been beaten around like a whipped dog in the history and opinion sections, and now here you are, take a break, bins don't get picked up until tomorrow and you're already overflowing with garbage.

Yes, indeed I have been whipped by mental midgets. Especially in the Treaty of Bucharest thread when I insisted that an expiration date does not not exist and other claimed it did, but when asked to show proof of its existence, they conveniently disappeared.

The same applies to other debates, but you know...what ever makes you feel happy.

[Venom]

Man you're so smart Demos. It is your approach and way of thinking that is really going to show us scum Macedonian wannabe Skopians that we are really nothing but scum slavs. You're really on a winner there mate with all your substance, your logic and your answering of every query put forward to you.

What part of greece are you from Demos?

[Soldier of Macedon]

The same applies to what? Mate, I think it's time to wake up from that wet dream and realise the dry reality. You and your select few cohorts have done virtually nothing but exit debates as quick as you enter, polluting threads in the short time you disgrace them with your presence.

What happened to that 'Greek' dialect called "Makedonika" from the Ottoman Empire? Do you have evidence of it ever being called as such during this period or not?

What happened to your animal priests blessing Islamic weapons as they fire in Christian villages? Do you have evidence of Macedonian priests blessing Islamic weapons as they fire into 'Greek' villages?

What happened to your "Hellenes" from 1ad to 1800ad? Was there ever a people during this period that consistently identified by the name your people have adopted since the 1820's?

Miserable little liar.