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You'll enjoy it Vangelovski, watch the second video in the middle, especially.
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He loves Gruevski and really wants Macedonia to be united one day. Well, as lovingly fluffy as that sounded, he is obviously backing the wrong man. Because (staying on the thread topic) Gruevski has done more for a Greater Albania than a Greater Macedonia during his tenure.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
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So essentially he wants a united Macedonia led by a man who has done more for a Greater Albania to continue negotiating its name...shall I put myself throught the pain of watching RtG?Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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I only watched the last half of the second video.
Watch it if you want to see the warm tender love between master and apprentice.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.comComment
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Emporer Palpatine and Darth Vader...I think I've seen that movie - they lose in the endOriginally posted by Risto the Great View Post
If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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Had to have bit of a chuckle when Bitove made the outrageous claim that Gruevski was one of the most honest politicians today LOL
The word "honest" unfortunately doesn't associate with politicians in these modern times, especially ones that come from the balkans. I guess Bitove ignores the fact that Vojvoda Gruevski talks big to the macedonians and tells them that he wont change the name, but talks of compromise when speaking to "greek" media and the international community....Comment
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I think Mr Bitove will have to die a thousand deaths before his hopes for a united Macedonia materialise...the message is somewhat tempered as Bitove and the poor mans 'David Frost' engage in blatant fantasy whilst surrounded by the flags of 'capitulation'...yeah go get 'em boys...
By the way, what is it that impresses Bitove so much about UMD, maybe it's because he hasn't sued them yet...
And while I'm in a questioning mood can somebody please tell me what Bitove had contributed for the Macedonian cause, considering his alleged wealth and political connections in Canada ?Comment
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Money time and connections phoenixComment
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Can you go into greater detail osiris, Its a serious question...I see a few Macedonian (heritage) businessmen in North America buying up NBA and NHL franchises and other examples of obscene self indulgence but there doesn't seem to be those lucid, putting of the money in the mouth moments when it comes to Macedonian interests...Originally posted by osiris View PostComment
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Груевски не се среќава со иселениците
Иселениците од САД се жалат дека од нив се кријат и посетите, не само премиерот
Иселениците од САД се разочарани од игнорантскиот однос на премиерот Никола Груевски, кој, според нив, за време на последната посета на Вашингтон имал време за шопинг, но немал време да се сретне со Обединетата македонска дијаспора. Претставниците на најорганизираната македонска иселеничка организација се жалат дека од 2008 година бараат и никако да стигнат до средба со македонскиот премиер кога и да е во Америка, а на двете покани да присуствува на нивни настани се' уште чекаат одговор, иако биле испратени во 2009 година. Затоа, пак, со леснотија добиваат средби со медијаторот Метју Нимиц, минатата година организираа посета на дваесетина конгресмени на Македонија, имаат редовни контакти со американската администрација, но колку им вреди тоа и како изгледаат во САД кога немаат пристап до премиерот на Македонија. Уште повеќе, иселениците се жалат дека за посетите на премиерот дознаваат од медиумите во Македонија, бидејќи тие се кријат од нив, иако би требало да е обратно, да ги анимираат.
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I have heard that (in the 1990s, after making peace with WMC led by Todor Petrov and merging his parallel congress with the same) Bitove funded the printing of many SMK/WMK documents. That might be several thousand dollars or a few tens of thousands but it seems like a minor contribution for someone as loaded as he is. I let others say what else he has financed.Originally posted by Phoenix View PostComment
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Just curious...Originally posted by indigen View Post
Like I said, he's not the only one...some of our grkomani friends often played both sides of the fence, putting their money before everything else. I feel that we've never created or consolidated a culture of 'giving' or putting Macedonian interests ahead of personal ones.
I know that there are many tireless volunteers out there working their butts off for the cause, its a real shame those from the big end of town are not as accomodating with their time, energy, passion and...money.Comment
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There were some "big" initiatives involving Bitove in the early 1990s (big write-ups in some Canadian media and republished in our local Oz Mak rags (Some of this info I have scanned and might load up on photobucket at some stage and provide links for MTO members to read) but nothing of substance eventuated out of it that I am aware of.Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
I agree with you about the lack of political culture of giving to the cause but many have been burned because there is a lack of genuine organised dedicated structure to give to. Many people gave to various causes inside Macedonia only to end up very disappointed because money or goods were misappropriated. The first thing I was made aware of when I joined one local active Macedonian group in the early 1990s was NOT to have faith that money sent home will be utilised for the right purpose and if you want it used for the right purpose, send your own reps there to make sure of that. Then we had all those collections of medicines by the Bragas and later on there were news reports of medicine being resold for private profits.
What I have noticed also is that there is a big lack of an activist culture of the normal political kind that other communities of much lesser numbers have in order to engage in promoting and publicising the cause. Various political activities can generate exposure, sympathy and gain recruits and sympathisers. A small number of say 50 committed activists in a given city can generate a great deal of publicity for any cause through various activities, including pickets, protests, cultural events, lobbying and media releases. But I feel all this is tied to, in the main, the (low) level of national consciousness and pride amongst Macedonians.Comment
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From what I've seen on the ground in Macedonia over the past few years, I think this is still generally the case.Originally posted by indigen View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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