Nikola Gruevski

[vicsinad]

He provided you a concrete and legitimate example why a communication difficulty, caused by spite, demonstrates potential difficulties when a common language is withheld by choice - not imposed by virtue of being "official"

Then if that's what he would have said, that's where the conversation would have went. But, this is what he said:

"Unless you want to end up with this kind of spiteful behaviour, a country should have one official language"

Moreover, he even quoted me in his post, suggesting that this is what he was getting at (by calling this notion silly):

"Further, I believe countries should not have any official languages. "

All this leads me to believe he was specifically referring to having an official language, and not what you suggest he was suggesting.

[George S.]

What do we have in macedonia.We have a nation & a state.We allready have an official language called MACEDONIAN.The problem is the albanians are telling the macedonians they don't want to learn the macedonian language.Well look at all decent western democracies.You don't learn the language you don't get to eat.Vicsand the place is called macedonia its supposed to be a soveregn country.I would be calling in the military & wipe them off the face of macedonia.They are not desrving to carry the title of minorities because they don't like being ctizens of macedonia.Your buddies should pack their bags.It so happens that the stupid macedonian govt is very very vey tolerant of albanian bullshit.Pretty soon they'll take the rest of the country.Gruevski has got no balls any other country would not put up with bullshit.Yes albanians do have rights their rights should be limited to macedonian CITIZENS rights & no more.FUCKING stupid politicians have allowed this to happen they are all traitors to the cause.

[makedonche]

Then if that's what he would have said, that's where the conversation would have went. But, this is what he said:

"Unless you want to end up with this kind of spiteful behaviour, a country should have one official language"

Moreover, he even quoted me in his post, suggesting that this is what he was getting at (by calling this notion silly):

"Further, I believe countries should not have any official languages. "

All this leads me to believe he was specifically referring to having an official language, and not what you suggest he was suggesting.

vicsinad
Here's what you said:-

B) As I stated a couple of times, one should not have to know the language of the majority in order to be a citizen of a country. Further, I believe countries should not have any official languages.

Here's what he said:-

Maybe the silliest statement I have ever read. (reffering to "not have any official languages")Followed by:-

Unless you want to end up with this kind of spiteful behaviour,( this is what the link refers to) a country should have one official language...no more and no less. ( if you want to have the spiteful behaviour demonstrated in the link, don't have any official language)

All this leads me to believe he was specifically referring to having an official language, and not what you suggest he was suggesting.

- he called your notion silly, provided you with evidence of why it's silly and then provided you a solution to your sillyness.
You manged to twist and turn, avoid and deflect, argue and contraire, only to eventually demonstrate how silly you really were!

[vicsinad]

How does

"if you want to have the spiteful behaviour demonstrated in the link, don't have any official language"

support anything you just said, or he just said, when the kind of behavior demonstrated comes from Quebec, a place with an official language? Wouldn't it make more sense to get a link to a place where there is no official language and that spiteful behavior occurred? Furthermore, even if he had, how do isolated incidents show, not just a direct cause, but even a correlation between a country not having an official language and the type of spiteful behavior demonstrated in the link?

One could easily interpret, from the link he posted, that having an official language in an area where two or more languages are spoken by different peoples leads to such spiteful behavior!

Makedonche, the only thing that's really silly is you trying to defend the indefensible...now that's silly!

[Vangelovski]

Victor,

What minority "rights" do you support for the Albanians in Macedonia?

Victor, I won't ask you again. Let me know if you need a few days to think about it.

[vicsinad]

Victor, I won't ask you again. Let me know if you need a few days to think about it.

Which MTO Forum rule am I violating by not addressing your question?

[Vangelovski]

Which MTO Forum rule am I violating by not addressing your question?

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[vicsinad]

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Ah, Tom...don't you just love the free and democratic exchanges!

[lavce pelagonski]

Vic how about if I ask you that question
"What minority "rights" do you support for the Albanians in Macedonia?"

You can simply say no comment if you like. It is not a hard question to answer

[vicsinad]

Vic how about if I ask you that question
"What minority "rights" do you support for the Albanians in Macedonia?"

You can simply say no comment if you like. It is not a hard question to answer

I've already stated many times why I am not addressing that issue.

[Vangelovski]

I've already stated many times why I am not addressing that issue.

You've asked many questions and others have had the decency to answer, including myself. You're next post had better address that question.

[lavce pelagonski]

Why it is ok if your Albanian, I guess the framework agreement is looking after you.

[vicsinad]

You've asked many questions and others have had the decency to answer, including myself. You're next post had better address that question.

I have answered most other questions from other people, including many of yours, even when you've shown nothing but disrespect in your responses. But you were never interested in thoughtful or productive engagement of that particular issue, as evidenced by your initial banning.

[vicsinad]

Why it is ok if your Albanian, I guess the framework agreement is looking after you.

See, I've mentioned several times on this forum I am Macedonian. But people decided to make up their own truths... so much for Macedonian "Truth" Forum.

[Risto the Great]

vicsinad still has not answered what he dislikes about the Framework Agreement yet likes the Badinter principle as it applies to the benefit of ethnic Albanians in Macedonia.

I think he should be banned simply for being disingenuous on this forum.

He can come back as another identity.

UMD avoided many lines of questioning on this forum and then quietly faded away.