South Australian Premier Mike Rann, an enemy to Macedonians

[osiris]

i am alarmed by the idea that some people beleive that anyone involved in the macedonian cause should be above criticsm. there has not and never will be a human being who doesnt make mistakes and we as macedonians have every right to hold those in our community who claim to speak on our behalf.

i am not sure the umds contribution to the macedonian cause, as a charitable and political organisation is that great that they are beyond criticsm.

i am still waiting for the umd to show me metos article in the melbourne age mewspaper the one advertised in his promo flyer.

[MP_MK]

[QUOTE=osiris;37460]i am alarmed by the idea that some people beleive that anyone involved in the macedonian cause should be above criticsm. there has not and never will be a human being who doesnt make mistakes and we as macedonians have every right to hold those in our community who claim to speak on our behalf.QUOTE]

Agreed,

But for God sakes, give them (people that fight for the cause) the benefit of the doubt, suppport and throw them a bone at least.

[julie]

i am alarmed by the idea that some people beleive that anyone involved in the macedonian cause should be above criticsm. there has not and never will be a human being who doesnt make mistakes and we as macedonians have every right to hold those in our community who claim to speak on our behalf.

i am not sure the umds contribution to the macedonian cause, as a charitable and political organisation is that great that they are beyond criticsm.

i am still waiting for the umd to show me metos article in the melbourne age mewspaper the one advertised in his promo flyer.

well said.

[Rogi]

Hmm, I see that the comments that were posted below the article have now been removed?

[osiris]

only time will tell what the umd will have achieved. so far i dont see that much to be overly excited about. they have a web site that tries to link them to every event in the macedonian calender, even when their role is nothing more than an expression of support for the event.

great pr but not much else. they even claim actions started by and devolped by others and their filp flopping on the inviolability of our name leaves me bewildered and angry.

my advice to the umd is more actions more humility more respect for all the others past and present who have been involved with the macedonian cause and less hot air about how wonderful and important they are to macedonia.

[MP_MK]

Correct.

Keep in mind Kelly is trying to run a "feel good" site and people arguing is not a good thing.

Send letters of thanks to Kelly @ [email protected]

We need to support and thank people that support us and stand up for the truth.

[Bill77]

Correct.

Keep in mind Kelly is trying to run a "feel good" site and people arguing is not a good thing.

Send letters of thanks to Kelly @ [email protected]

We need to support and thank people that support us and stand up for the truth.

Good idea, we should suport and thank others that stand up for the truth.

[makedonche]

I would like to urge the Macedonian youth to come here to the Macedonian Truth Organization so they can get a crash course in all matters Macedonian especially the historic ones.

Daskalie,
i concur wholeheartedly, once they have the factual information to be able to discuss their issues with Greeks they will be more confident and less fearful and can provide validated arguments instead of being intimidated by Greek rhetoric.

[Stojacanec]

Which youth are you talking about, and what age groups?? Fair go, youth still in primary school would not even confront greeks (and visa versa) about heritage.

Macedonians outnumbered 1000 to 1 is grossely exaggerated.

I don't know of any greeks intimidating macedonians in Adelaide.

The numbers are down because of the old story:

1. The MKD community split in 2 around 1994 with VMRO group sepearating from the community in Findon.

2. The church split a couple of years later, further dividing the already small community.

3. The soccer has separated as a section of the main community.

The numbers are not low because of greek intimidation MK_MP. The numbers are low because of inner divisions.

They are all out there, just scattered.

Its time to unite, I say.

[julie]

Which youth are you talking about, and what age groups?? Fair go, youth still in primary school would not even confront greeks (and visa versa) about heritage.

Macedonians outnumbered 1000 to 1 is grossely exaggerated.

I don't know of any greeks intimidating macedonians in Adelaide.

The numbers are down because of the old story:

1. The MKD community split in 2 around 1994 with VMRO group sepearating from the community in Findon.

2. The church split a couple of years later, further dividing the already small community.

3. The soccer has separated as a section of the main community.

The numbers are not low because of greek intimidation MK_MP. The numbers are low because of inner divisions.

They are all out there, just scattered.

Its time to unite, I say.

AMEN!!!!
As I keep saying in ALL the threads - UNITY
pozdrav

[Risto the Great]

Which youth are you talking about, and what age groups?? Fair go, youth still in primary school would not even confront greeks (and visa versa) about heritage.

Macedonians outnumbered 1000 to 1 is grossely exaggerated.

I don't know of any greeks intimidating macedonians in Adelaide.

The numbers are down because of the old story:

1. The MKD community split in 2 around 1994 with VMRO group sepearating from the community in Findon.

2. The church split a couple of years later, further dividing the already small community.

3. The soccer has separated as a section of the main community.

The numbers are not low because of greek intimidation MK_MP. The numbers are low because of inner divisions.

They are all out there, just scattered.

Its time to unite, I say.

The 4th division is here at the MTO, which is not mutually exclusive from the other divisions .... just classier.

[julie]

RTG you forgot the royalty bit too!

[MP_MK]

Which youth are you talking about, and what age groups?? Fair go, youth still in primary school would not even confront greeks (and visa versa) about heritage.

Macedonians outnumbered 1000 to 1 is grossely exaggerated.

I don't know of any greeks intimidating macedonians in Adelaide.

The numbers are down because of the old story:

1. The MKD community split in 2 around 1994 with VMRO group sepearating from the community in Findon.

2. The church split a couple of years later, further dividing the already small community.

3. The soccer has separated as a section of the main community.

The numbers are not low because of greek intimidation MK_MP. The numbers are low because of inner divisions.

They are all out there, just scattered.

Its time to unite, I say.

This is what I said earlier and I stand by it:


I would guess that there are approx 50 "youth" under tha age of 21 that are active in the Adelaide community, more than half of those are under the age of 10.

There are thousands of greeks betwen 18 and 21 that are constantly yapping on that Macedonia is greek and Alexandar the Great is greek. In a small community (Adelaide) it is extremely difficult for them.


...Furthermore:

I know it is extremely difficlut for them, because I have mentored some from both sides of the community for the last 2 years.

Also every time I visit my greek friends houses, their teenager sons and daughters are always harping on that Macedonia is greece. If they do that to someone 15 years their senior, what do they do within their circles when they are surrounded by like minded friends?

[Bratot]

Little contribution with this compilation I got on fb:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/in-depth/ranns-speech-outrages-macedonians/story-fn2sdwup-1225827612230

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/rann-accused-of-playing-the-race-card/story-e6frg6nf-1225828057518

http://www.glamadelaide.com.au/main/the-power-of-social-media/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/macedonia-row-to-threaten-bid-for-seat-on-security-council/story-e6frg6nf-1225828488204

http://www.time.mk/read/49882f24ef/8e18dac411/index.html

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&eventId=57525&egId=13

http://www.time.mk/read/49882f24ef/ebe2ba50f6/latin-title.html

http://www.time.mk/read/49882f24ef/a07bc1689d/latin-title.html

http://www.sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/make...rchka-istorija

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.asp?vest=21110954433&id=9&prilog=0&setIzdanie=21907

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=490A4B962E24B9448928EC8C455A2D88

http://www.vreme.com.mk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1&EditionID=1941&ArticleID=133661

http://www.sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/makedonija/gjorge-ivanov-osuden-od-avstraliskiot-premier-za-kradenje-na-grchka-istorija

[Volk]

Eve ti od Sitel MP:

Parliamentarians in the federal Australian Parliament condemned the statements made by South Australian Premier, Mike Rann, in which he accused the Macedonian President of causing problems in a dangerous manner and stealing Greek history and culture.

After the meeting of Ambassador Stojanovski and Consul Kosevski with Parliamentarian Luke Simpkins, the statement has been classified as an attempt to obtain Greek votes.

“To get involved in the Macedonian question for the purpose of gaining votes in upcoming elections and to incite ethnic tension is grossly irresponsible because it insults their feelings which can lead to several dangerous problems”, said Simpkins in the Australian Parliament.

The Parliamentarian pointed out that it is possible that legal action could be taken against the South Australian Premier. Simpkins, suggested that the name impasse is serious and cannot be solved with a politically charged speech but between the two parties involved.

The speech by Mike Rann is condemned in the Australian media, which writes that the speech was made at a Greek festival mite turn into a serious diplomatic incident. The speech by Premier Rann was made in November last year, however the video footage has only become wide spread the last few days. His speech is received as a grave error particularly due to the fact that only 3000 Macedonians live in South Australia and 84,000 nationwide.