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  • vicsinad
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 2337

    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
    This is very interesting, thank you.

    Do you have any links to Ivanov visiting the MPO and/or the Bulgarian church?
    Someone from this forum provided us with these pictures.

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    • Liberator of Makedonija
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 1597

      Ivanov showing his true colours?
      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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      • vicsinad
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 2337

        Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
        Ivanov showing his true colours?
        Well, he is adamantly against the name deal with Greece and just encouraged people to not vote when he spoke at the UN. So, that is good.

        On the flip side, he supports the Friendship Treaty with Bulgaria and he went to the Bulgarian Church in Detroit this past weekend.

        There hasn't been an explanation from him why he supports a treaty that requires Macedonia to celebrate Ilinden with Bulgaria and to create a common history. He's just stated that he supports the economic advantages that it will bring and the European perspectives.

        Regarding the church attendance, there's a small chance that he may have not known Meto and others helped schedule a visit to a Bulgarian Church, that is to be fair, attended by several Macedonians. Still, to knowingly give the Bulgarian Synod equal treatment as the MOC in a time when the Macedonian-America public is a) suspicious that our church may change its name or become a part of another church; and b) is strongly against the Friendship Treaty...well, that's disheartening to say the least.

        Someone in Ivanov's circle had to have known, or should have known, what is up. They are not that naïve. Macedonian politicians have been associating themselves with the MPO and going to the Bulgaro churches for some time now. I can't help but suspect that a Macedonian reorientation toward Bulgaria is becoming normalized within the republic.

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        • Pelagonija
          Member
          • Mar 2017
          • 533

          Unfortunately people have ulterior motives such as financial gain, ego related, power ambitions, career progression and downright mental illness which drives them. Macedonians are the same every where in this regard, I've seen it in our churches, soccer clubs, business and family. You know the mentality ne chinit pa jas chinam.. all the same crap. True Macedonians are long dead and never to return, the ones that picked up the gun, left their impoverished selo and family and never returned. The rest today will take your soul, your money and if you are not careful I zeneta. So be careful of the Macedonian.

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15660

            I think we might be glorifying the "True Macedonians". If we met them in real life, they probably would have been as shifty as they come. All of this is nothing more than human nature. The only ones whose intentions can easily be interpreted are the filthy rich and the filthy poor. Everyone else in the middle of all that is just distracted with their own little dramas.
            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • Pelagonija
              Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 533

              Just missing a key attributes which separates them, that is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their cause and bravery? I'd choose and glorify the "shifty" fighter Macedonian. You'd find that the greedy types are less willing to give than take.. I think we shouldn't diminish the sacrifice made by some and throw them in the Same basket as today's mob yes no one is perfect but fighting is also human nature..

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15660

                Originally posted by nushevski77
                what defines/makes a "true Macedonian"?
                It's irrelevant. What is more important is the distinction between good and bad Macedonians. True Macedonians are everywhere, doesn't mean they are good for Macedonia.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Pelagonija
                  Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 533

                  Sorry agreed True Macedonians are everywhere.

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                  • JPMKD
                    Member
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 101

                    Vic,
                    Thanks for all that recent info! As you know, I was familiar with that church when younger and recall several Macedonian "uprisings". I recall whispers of MPO, usually with a Macedonian or English curse word in from of it. I also recall graffiti in the men's room. Have not been their in decades, did not realize the politics until many years later and am still learning. I just recall we always had Macedonians, Bulgarians , a few "Greeks", and Armenians. (The Greeks didn't speak Greek )We also had a few "Amerikanski" from the surrounding are, which was cool.

                    I do know that several years ago I heard a story that Mike Ilitich offered them a sum of money to either combine with one of the MOC's or to repair St. Clement. They chose the latter. (Can you confirm or debunk this?). I'd be interested. I always recall hearing MPO in whispers there, but was raised 100% Macedonian. This vote thing is killing me...
                    Last edited by JPMKD; 09-29-2018, 11:15 PM.
                    Not a Northadonian

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                    • Soldier of Macedon
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13675


                      UMD reiterates its unwavering support for retention of the one and only constitutional and rightful name of Macedonia, rejects all attempts to change or impose any other name upon Macedonia and the Macedonian people, and calls upon the Macedonian government to cease the ongoing UN talks and to submit a resolution before the UN General Assembly to be re-admitted to the UN under its one and only constitutional and rightful name — the Republic of Macedonia.
                      A far cry from their stances back in the day. But I suppose people can change. This was interesting also:


                      The role of the Australia Macedonia Parliamentary Friendship Group (AMPFG) is to promote closer, better quality and more meaningful relations with the Republic of Macedonia and its diaspora in Australia through innovative and high impact policies, programs, projects and events that deliver better social, economic and environmental outcomes for all key stakeholders. Below is a list of members and friends of the AMPFG.
                      I am not sure what UMD's involvement is with the AMPFG or why they are promoting this group on their website. Two people on the list caught my attention: Mr Steve Georganas MP and Ms Maria Vamvakinou MP. A short search online produced the following:
                      June 2013 - After Stephen Jones, a Member of Parliament for Australia’s Labor Party gave a speech insisting that his country recognize FYROM as The Republic of Macedonia, Foreign Minister Bob Carr gave reassurances that the government didn’t back him. Carr told Steve Georganas, Vice-President of the Parliament, that “The policy of Australia to the Skopje issue remains stable,” and didn’t expect it would change. Georganas had asked him to give a definitive stance.
                      May 2019 - An effective spokesperson for the Greek community in Canberra, she has crusaded for a number of issues, and has worked alongside other Greek-Australian federal politicians to align Australia’s foreign policy with the needs of the diaspora on matters such as the Cyprus Occupation and the name dispute with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
                      How would those two promote closer, better quality and more meaningful relations? Perhaps a bit of due diligence every now and then.
                      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                      • maco2envy
                        Member
                        • Jan 2015
                        • 288

                        these guys made a "wikipedia strike force" and got their asses handed to them. Next time they should be careful not to publicly announce such plans.

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 13675

                          While Macedonia is currently dealing with relentless political attacks from Bulgaria, the UMD are meeting with Bulgars in the U.S. to "strengthen bridge-building dialogue between Bulgaria and Macedonia". Are these the same bridges as those built between the UMD and the MPO when they got screwed by the latter during the U.S. census? At this moment, what possible dialogue could there be with these people if the starting point isn't a condemnation of their government's despicable attitude towards Macedonians in general? Even if there is nothing sinister about the meeting, the timing couldn't be more terrible. It's almost Zaevesque the way they appear to be doing PR for good neighbourly relations at a time when Bulgaria is literally trying to destroy the heritage of Macedonia.

                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15660

                            There is no bridge.
                            There is nothing to strengthen.
                            Seriously though, given the UMD's monumental failure in relation to the MPO, you would think they might tread very lightly on Bulgarian matters. Instead, there they go again.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • VMRO
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1462

                              Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
                              these guys made a "wikipedia strike force" and got their asses handed to them. Next time they should be careful not to publicly announce such plans.
                              That was Meto, he paraded it on social media.



                              absolute joke, not sure what he was thinking giving our enemies the heads up
                              Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                              Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                              • VMRO
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1462

                                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                                While Macedonia is currently dealing with relentless political attacks from Bulgaria, the UMD are meeting with Bulgars in the U.S. to "strengthen bridge-building dialogue between Bulgaria and Macedonia". Are these the same bridges as those built between the UMD and the MPO when they got screwed by the latter during the U.S. census? At this moment, what possible dialogue could there be with these people if the starting point isn't a condemnation of their government's despicable attitude towards Macedonians in general? Even if there is nothing sinister about the meeting, the timing couldn't be more terrible. It's almost Zaevesque the way they appear to be doing PR for good neighbourly relations at a time when Bulgaria is literally trying to destroy the heritage of Macedonia.

                                What a stooge, Meto deleted his post after he copped backlash.

                                I bet they were telling him how they “respect” Macedonians, then behind his back saying how Tito created us. Never ever trust a Tartar
                                Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                                Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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