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  • Phoenix
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 4671

    Where does the money go...at least with other groups working for the Macedonian cause there's evidence of expenditure, we've seen billboard advertising, media presentations, legal action and the like but what are UMD's end results...cocktail parties, cruises and tours to Turkeys finest bath houses...

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      I think the money goes into some big black hole.Where money enters & is never to be seen again.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Makedonska_Kafana
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 2642

        Originally posted by George S. View Post
        I think the money goes into some big black hole.Where money enters & is never to be seen again.
        Since the UMD started this by saying it was for "Baba and Dedo" in Makedonija then the only acceptable thing would be to donate the entire $50,000 to the original cause. If they want to raise money to pay Meto or other operating costs then they're required to be more trustworthy from the start.

        I CHALLENGE THE UMD TO BE MORE TRUSTWORTHY IN 2011 AND RTG WILL MATCH IT. THE HONESTLY WILL BE DELIVERED TO THE WORLD MACEDONIAN DIASPORA

        Tesko na baba i dedo sega
        Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 12-29-2010, 11:22 PM.
        http://www.makedonskakafana.com

        Macedonia for the Macedonians

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        • UMDiaspora.org
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 525

          Numerous slights raise questions of Obama's support of ally Macedonia

          In politics, everything means something. WikiLeaks' release of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cable communications gave insight into what our nation's diplomats are really saying about our friends behind closed doors.

          Macedonia – one of our strongest allies in southeast Europe – was mentioned in several of the communications, being encouraged to back down on its inherent sovereign right to its name, identity, language and constitution, thus giving in to Greek demands in order to join NATO. This policy development has many who have a strong interest in southeast Europe questioning President Obama's intentions for the region.

          Read full column here: http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pb...IAL%2F12290340
          For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

          United Macedonian Diaspora
          http://www.umdiaspora.org

          1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
          Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

          PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
          Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

          3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
          Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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          • indigen
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 1558

            Dear Friend/s:

            Imagine, opening your newspaper and the headlines read:

            "Macedonia Compromises оn Name, Identity, Language; Agrees to Greece's Demands"

            "Македонија се согласи со барањата на Грција за компромис за името, идентитот и јазикот"

            Our forefathers would be turning over in their graves if they read either of these headlines in a newspaper. That is why we, at the United Macedonian Diaspora, are fighting to make sure this does not happen and we know that as fellow Macedonians you will also agree with us but we still need your support to make sure this does not happen. To all our friends who have donated so far, I would like to personally thank you.

            Thanks to our collective efforts and our tireless advocacy, we will ensure a much different outcome and make our forefathers proud. Macedonia must not succumb to Greece's, NATO's or the EU's pressure; Macedonia's government should cease all negotiations with Greece. But until then, UMD is building up the global base of the Macedonian cause to help our homeland, Macedonia, when she finally decides to cease all negotiations with Greece.

            In reality, our work has just begun. Our adversaries are relentless and well-funded. Millions of dollars are being channeled by Greece and the Greek Diaspora to deny Macedonia's future. Plain and simple, they want Macedonia to change her name and deny the Macedonians' right to the Macedonian name, ethnic identity, and language.

            Are you going to let them?

            NO! We are not going to let them win! That is why we need your help to raise the remainder of the $25,000 goal, which is $10,000, by midnight this Friday, December 31, 2010.

            Your secure online tax-deductible contribution of $25, $50, $100, $500, $1,000 or whatever you can afford is urgently needed to make a difference now. Your gift today will be DOUBLED by a generous anonymous donor up to $25,000!

            Next year is Macedonia's 20th Anniversary as a free, independent and sovereign country, so let's mark this significant occasion in our history as Macedonian people and stamp out the negativity that Greece is portraying to the world. That is why we need your help today!

            Please make your secure online tax-deductible contribution today!

            Donate

            UMD will continue to state our case and influence world opinion in favor of Macedonia.

            I wish you and your family a Happy and Safe New Year, and thank you in advance for your strong support.

            Meto

            -------------

            Metodija A. Koloski
            President
            United Macedonian Diaspora

            P.S. - Your secure online tax-deductible donation today to the UMD will go directly to advancing the Macedonian Cause. We encourage Canadian donors to send a donation via postal mail to ensure a tax-receipt. If post-marked before December 31, your donation will still count towards our $25,000 goal. UMD is working to obtain its Australian charitable status.


            METO:
            "....Imagine, opening your newspaper and the headlines read:

            "Macedonia Compromises оn Name, Identity, Language; Agrees to Greece's Demands"

            "Македонија се согласи со барањата на Грција за компромис за името, идентитот и јазикот"

            Our forefathers would be turning over in their graves if they read either of these headlines in a newspaper. That is why we, at the United Macedonian Diaspora, are fighting to make sure this does not happen and we know that as fellow Macedonians you will also agree with us but we still need your support to make sure this does not happen. To all our friends who have donated so far, I would like to personally thank you...."


            Do not need to imagine anything because we have witnessed this already in 1993! That being the case, your statement not only sounds RIDICULOUS but is outright TREASONOUS AND PATHETIC!



            wa_10_4_1993.jpg

            Name Games Nov 1992 and April 1993 (image files approx 1MB total)

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              Thank you Indigen.
              If more people understood your message, there should be riots.
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • Vangelovski
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 8532

                Notice Gligorov's call to "accept reality" in the article posted by Indigen. Its the same BS 20 years on but the message is now coming from the likes of Meto Koloski and his UMD.
                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  It's all happening all over again.The problem is that no one is heeding advice to stop the negotiations.What is the umd trying to do throw money at it & achieve nothing.Unless the macedonian government is made to stop all negotiations on the name then there's nothing that can be done.Good one indigen i fully agree with what you said.
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                  GOTSE DELCEV

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                  • BigMak
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 209

                    I dont find the title of this latest email funny, or whitty or anything alike

                    Its not only a pathetic marketing ploy, it also comes from a organisation that supported the name negotiation process not that long ago. I don't care about the context of the email the title is disturbing and should not have been done in this way.

                    Its a slap in the face for Many Former UMD members who urged Meto for years NOT to support name negotiations or the Ohrid Framework agreement. Only if UMD Australia had these people still on UMD's side it would have been great, But this type of stuff will further escalate the internal bickering of the Macedonian Community.

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                    • UMDiaspora.org
                      Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 525

                      Numerous slights raise questions of Obama's support of ally Macedonia

                      In politics, everything means something. WikiLeaks' release of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cable communications gave insight into what our nation's diplomats are really saying about our friends behind closed doors.

                      Macedonia – one of our strongest allies in southeast Europe – was mentioned in several of the communications, being encouraged to back down on its inherent sovereign right to its name, identity, language and constitution, thus giving in to Greek demands in order to join NATO. This policy development has many who have a strong interest in southeast Europe questioning President Obama's intentions for the region.

                      Read full column here: http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pb...IAL%2F12290340
                      For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

                      United Macedonian Diaspora
                      http://www.umdiaspora.org

                      1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
                      Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

                      PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
                      Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

                      3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
                      Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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                      • Makedonska_Kafana
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 2642

                        Hoe does this rate as a "NEWSFLASH"? Which Macedonian newspaper published it?

                        Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org

                        In politics, everything means something. WikiLeaks' release of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cable communications gave insight into what our nation's diplomats are really saying about our friends behind closed doors.
                        Continue to post this information (US hypocrites) and it will help your cause. PRO TRUTH. PRO WIKILEAKS

                        YouTube - Clinton admits the U.S government created and funded the terrorists which they are fighting today
                        YouTube - Hillary Clinton admits the CFR gives the Orders (NEW WORLD ORDER)
                        YouTube - Clinton admits she gets her NWO marching orders from the CFR
                        YouTube - Bill Clinton admits to attending 1991 Bilderberg Meeting
                        YouTube - Bilderberg member caught on tape
                        YouTube - (2/2) The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See!

                        FACT, UMD INDIRECTLY SUPPORTS CRIMINALS!!
                        http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                        Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                        • Risto the Great
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15658

                          Save people the trouble:

                          By Argie Bellio
                          For The News-Sentinel
                          In politics, everything means something. WikiLeaks' release of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cable communications gave insight into what our nation's diplomats are really saying about our friends behind closed doors.

                          Macedonia – one of our strongest allies in southeast Europe – was mentioned in several of the communications, being encouraged to back down on its inherent sovereign right to its name, identity, language and constitution, thus giving in to Greek demands in order to join NATO. This policy development has many who have a strong interest in southeast Europe questioning President Obama's intentions for the region.

                          In 2004, the United States and President George W. Bush recognized Macedonia under its constitutional and rightful name, the Republic of Macedonia, joining 128 other countries that have done so, including our allies Canada, India, Russia, China and the United Kingdom. Macedonia has been a strong ally to the U.S. since the two countries entered into diplomatic relations in 1994.

                          Macedonia demonstrated its commitment to the U.S. and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) by serving as the key staging area for the U.S./NATO intervention in Kosovo (KFOR) in 1999, as well as by offering refuge to more than 360,000 Kosovars during the conflict. Macedonia has since assumed command of NATO's former KFOR logistical support coordination center for Kosovo.

                          Macedonia participated in Operation Iraqi Freedom from July 2003 to December 2008, during which many of the Macedonian soldiers were highly decorated by U.S. military commanders for showing special courage, meritorious achievements and protecting U.S. personnel. In Afghanistan, Macedonia is among the top four largest troop contributors per capita to ISAF, and its 255 soldiers have been deployed to patrol the ISAF headquarters in Kabul.

                          While Macedonia is not a member of NATO, its contributions to peace, democracy, stability and security throughout the world make it a clear U.S. ally by doing its part as a de facto member for years. At the 2008 NATO summit, Macedonia was not offered membership into NATO because of Greece, and again this year at the NATO summit in Portugal. The Bush administration, and Clinton's before him, was adamant in its support of Macedonia and its goals to join NATO. This support has begun to waver since President Obama took office two years ago.

                          Despite Macedonia's valuable support of U.S.-led missions in Afghanistan and the world, the Obama administration has slighted Macedonia on several occasions. In May 2009, Vice President Joe Biden visited southeast Europe and bypassed Macedonia, although he was 45 minutes away in Kosovo. In April, President Obama hosted a dinner for NATO allies and did not invite Macedonia. At the 60th anniversary of NATO the same month, Macedonia was again not invited. In October, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited southeast Europe and bypassed Macedonia, although she was 45 minutes away in Kosovo. Since President Obama took office, no Macedonian president, prime minister or foreign minister has had an official invitation to visit the White House or State Department, although the leaders of all the other southeast European nations have been to Washington, D.C., during the last two years.

                          One begins to wonder if these are just coincidences or good-old-fashioned mistakes. However, one mistake after another has our nation's close to half a million Macedonian-Americans and 2.1 million Macedonians in the country wondering if they are intentional.

                          President Obama is well known to be a strong friend to the Greek-American community, and his relationship with basketball buddy and losing Greek-American senatorial candidate, Alexi Giannoulias. The Obama administration went out on a limb to encourage the IMF and European bailouts for Greece all because Greece had child-like economic policies, which put the region, Europe and the world at jeopardy. Earlier this year, during the White House celebration of Greek Independence Day, President Obama offered Greek Orthodox Church Archbishop Demetrius a free platform to spread ethnic hatred against Macedonia and Macedonians. According to a recent Vanity Fair article, the Greek Orthodox Church holds a 20 percent stake in Greece's national bank.

                          When everything in politics means something, what is being said and done to Macedonia isn't good. Macedonia has continued to support our nation and our allies by sending troops into harm's way. If Macedonian troops can fight alongside American troops and allies, then Macedonians deserve our respect and support.

                          President Obama must do everything he can to show U.S. gratitude for Macedonia's contributions by using concerted diplomatic efforts to get Macedonia into NATO. Macedonia's future in Euro-Atlantic institutions, as well as the security and stability of southeast Europe, must no longer be negatively affected by bilateral issues with Greece.

                          Argie N. Bellio, an American of Macedonian heritage and resident of Fort Wayne, serves as the representative of the United Macedonian Diaspora's Indiana operations.
                          I would hardly say USA went out on a limb to encourage IMF to bail out Greece. It is their job to be vultures in instances like this. Like encouraging a coke-head to to mop up the cocaine that was found strewn all over a room.

                          Half a million USA Macedonians again. It would appear the author takes his information direct from the UMD factbook.
                          Risto the Great
                          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                          • Vangelovski
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 8532

                            Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                            Save people the trouble:



                            I would hardly say USA went out on a limb to encourage IMF to bail out Greece. It is their job to be vultures in instances like this. Like encouraging a coke-head to to mop up the cocaine that was found strewn all over a room.

                            Half a million USA Macedonians again. It would appear the author takes his information direct from the UMD factbook.
                            The author is UMD's representative in Indiana. Seeing as they have increased the Macedonian population in the US by a factor of over 10, I'm wondering why they don't do that to the population in Macedonia. It would be 20,000,000 if they did! The author certainly got something right:
                            When everything in politics means something, what is being said and done to Macedonia isn't good.
                            This goes for all of Meto's little "slip ups" - supporting name changes, providing name change proposals, supporting the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement, supporting Albanian terrorists...all of this has left the Macedonians wondering if:

                            these are just coincidences or good-old-fashioned mistakes. However, one mistake after another has our nation's close to half a million Macedonian-Americans and 2.1 million Macedonians in the country wondering if they are intentional.
                            Last edited by Vangelovski; 12-30-2010, 05:03 PM.
                            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                            • Makedonska_Kafana
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 2642

                              UMD, is an organization without leadership and several board members can post sho da mu tekni - tesko na Makedonija

                              YouTube - R Dean Taylor - Indiana Wants Me 1970

                              Argie, slow down and think a little bit for a change!

                              Please reply with your MTO user name so the rest know what you look like - a FAKE and you need to stay next door in your comfort zone. BTW, what does the UMD offer to their gay and lesbian members? I would like to see you begin regional support groups because you do have several members and you need respect all members.

                              Put something in writing and post it here unless UMD is homophobic? UMD Canada should send people to march in the Toronto and Washington Gay Pride Parade each year with the UMD banner - not joking, it's a human rights issue and you seem to be involved in everything.

                              How happy are you? Very happy? Somewhat happy? Curious?
                              Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 12-30-2010, 08:28 PM.
                              http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                              Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                              • Pelister
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 2742

                                Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                                Where does the money go...at least with other groups working for the Macedonian cause there's evidence of expenditure, we've seen billboard advertising, media presentations, legal action and the like but what are UMD's end results...cocktail parties, cruises and tours to Turkeys finest bath houses...
                                Notice how UMD put forward a proposition 'We are against the negotiations', and then ask Macedonians to donate money. I think its a cheap way of sucking Macedonians in and possibly gaining more members. The latest 'campaign' is an advertising campaign - that is about the full extent of it. Its just another piece of facile triumphalism, but without the substance to back it. Did UMD ever support AMHRC's campaign to end the negotiations? A financial donation, some human resources...anything?

                                Meto has NEVER accounted for his calls for a name change, nor his support of the Interim Accord, or the Framework Agreement, nor explained to anyone why he believes the war in 2001 was fought for 'greater Albanian rights'. Until we get an HONEST and straight up answer, people are not going to trust UMD, because UMD treats Macedonians like they are idiots.

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