United Macedonia Diaspora

[Soldier of Macedon]

How significant is what name Macedonia enters NATO under right now?

Participating in such organisations by an artificial reference only demonstrates our acceptance to be manipulated by others.

I think an important question with relation to all organizations outside of the UN is whether or not, irregardless of what name Macedonia is accepted under, Macedonia will benefit from membership into that organization.

Are any of those potential 'benefits' more important than our identity?

The name battle will ultimately be won (with regards to international recognition of Macedonia) at the UN level.

Vic, any acceptance of the 'provisional reference' on our behalf would be like rubber stamping the right of others to unfairly dictate our own identity to us. Put two and two together. Gruevski and his lackeys are trying to enter Macedonia into NATO as FYROM while at the same time he is seeking a "mutually acceptable solution" with Greece. Where in that do you see a win?

No, I have never donated to them or supported them in any way but as a lobby group I don't mind them getting our side of the story to the politicians in Washington. How do you think the Albanians won support for the war in Kosovo.

Kire, Albanian lobby groups weren't compromising their identity when gaining support from US politicians. I don't mind any group promoting Macedonian interests, but I dislike groups who misrepresent the sentiment of the people they apparently 'represent'.

Where did they support our entry into NATO by the UN 'provisional reference' (FYROM)?

Read this:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3485

From what I understand, they used that against Greece because it breached the provisional 1995 deal under which they agreed not to block Macedonia's membership in international organizations if we used that name.

Take a look at the actual fact - the UMD are demonising Greece for not accepting us as FYROM (in NATO). The Macedonian government took Greece to the ICJ for the same reason. Dumb Macedonians. Greece rejecting Macedonia as FYROM, ironic as it is, actually did us a favour and helped us (and by 'us' I mean self-respecting Macedonians, wherever they are) save face.

Obviously, Greece blocked our entry into NATO even under the name FYROM because they know full well once we gain membership it will be over for them. If we have equal say there is no way anyone will listen to them.

We're in the UN and still don't have equal say, entering a military alliance like NATO as FYROM isn't going to change anything, in fact, we will go even further backwards. We will only have equal say when we start standing up for ourselves and our rights as a people.

It is either this or to drop all talks with Greece, in which case they would win since they have all the power and support as a full NATO and EU members.

Drop the talks with Greece and inform the UN that we are Macedonia and that is how we are to be recognised. What are we going to lose? Will Macedonia be bombed overnight? No. Will the whole world establish an embargo against her? No. At least the world will finally know where we stand and that we are not prepared to negotiate our identity.

.........cut diplomatic relations, then wait until we had enough UN votes to gain membership under our real name. But, guess what? Kiro, Ljupco, Branko and the rest of the people running the country at the time wanted to gain recognition as fast as possible so they accepted a temporary name and changed our flag.

You're forgetting Boris, Nikola, Ljube and Gjorgje who have done their bit to perpetuate former treachery and even create some of their own.

Why was he asking about Ukraine and Georgia?! I don't see the point of including them when he should have put all the focus on Macedonia.

Read this whole thread from the beginning when you have time, you will find many more questionable statements by members of the UMD and some of their supporters.

[KireMKD]

This was posted a few days ago on the website.

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/652/1/

Koloski: Secretary Rice, a lot of respect to you. I am Meto Koloski with the United Macedonian Diaspora. I thank you for your leadership on NATO enlargement given your time as Secretary of State and prior to that as NSA (National Security Adviser). I do have a question regarding the Bucharest Summit, Macedonia was blocked from NATO membership and so were Georgia and Ukraine from MAP (Membership Action Plan). The upcoming NATO Summit is in Chicago. This is the first time a NATO Summit is being held in the United States outside of Washington, and it�s not an enlargement summit. Macedonia has faced a lot of obstacles, it has met all the requirements, and in December, the International Court of Justice agreed that Greece violated its treaty obligations by blocking Macedonia, and I wanted to know your perspective on Macedonia�s invitation, and then also where do you see the future of enlargement and the NATO Alliance.

Why was he asking about Ukraine and Georgia?! I don't see the point of including them when he should have put all the focus on Macedonia.

[George S.]

KIre Mkd If the uMD is not promoting us as the republic of macedonia instead they are doing it by the interim name doesn't deserve our support as it's selling us short.Also the name isue is not really an issue at all when one considers that it is a ploy for greece used on macedonia not to be integrated into the eu or nato.The name issue is not an issue as greece would like macedonia simply not to exist as it's a thorn on it's side.As you pointed out once macedonia gets accepted in the eu they can do things agains't greece & greece knows that full well.
Why support the umd if it really doesn't represent us & our needs.They just use that to say that hey were doing something come & donate to our cause.
Also do you know that the umd supports the ventilator flag & also they aren't really open & transparent when questioned about things.Meto still hasn't answered RTG's questions about the umd still.

[KireMKD]

Thanks for the advice Kire, and nice of you to presume that none of us have an idea of how the "political world" works. Do you support the policies of the UMD? Or are you just another Canadian who has been duped by some of these posers who are more interested in gaining favour with the Macedonian and American governments than they are in expressing the true sentiment of the Macedonian diaspora?

Do you support Macedonia's entry into NATO by the UN 'provisional reference' (FYROM)? The UMD do.

No, I have never donated to them or supported them in any way but as a lobby group I don't mind them getting our side of the story to the politicians in Washington. How do you think the Albanians won support for the war in Kosovo.

Where did they support our entry into NATO by the UN 'provisional reference' (FYROM)? From what I understand, they used that against Greece because it breached the provisional 1995 deal under which they agreed not to block Macedonia's membership in international organizations if we used that name. Obviously, Greece blocked our entry into NATO even under the name FYROM because they know full well once we gain membership it will be over for them. If we have equal say there is no way anyone will listen to them. It is either this or to drop all talks with Greece, in which case they would win since they have all the power and support as a full NATO and EU members. I wish we would have never started the "name issue" talks and our government never accepted the temporary name "FYROM". What we should have done is like Armenia and Azerbaijan, cut diplomatic relations, then wait until we had enough UN votes to gain membership under our real name. But, guess what? Kiro, Ljupco, Branko and the rest of the people running the country at the time wanted to gain recognition as fast as possible so they accepted a temporary name and changed our flag.

[vicsinad]

The problem is how Macedonia is recognized by the UN. How significant is what name Macedonia enters NATO under right now? That name will likely change dependent on if the Macedonian government succumbs to a 'compromise' with Greece, or it won't change at all if the Macedonian government fails to successfully advocate for its rights as an equal state, and the Macedonians as equal peoples, to other UN members and their peoples. The UN membership is the basis for how Macedonia interacts with and engages the international community and organizations.

I think an important question with relation to all organizations outside of the UN is whether or not, irregardless of what name Macedonia is accepted under, Macedonia will benefit from membership into that organization. The name battle will ultimately be won (with regards to international recognition of Macedonia) at the UN level. Should Macedonia refrain from participating in international organizations because of something that is, for the most part, dependent on Macedonia's ultimate efforts in the UN? If Macedonia can succeed there, most other references to our name as something other than Macedonia will vanish (aside from Greece's belligerence).

I think another question is that if Macedonia refuses to enter international organizations outside of the UN unless that organization respects Macedonia's rights, will that help Macedonia with eventually getting the UN to recognize Macedonia as Macedonia? On one hand, Macedonia is making tremendous progress with nations on an individual basis, which many of them are doing so based on Macedonia's international cooperation and activity, and this may play to Macedonia's advantage in the future if it forcefully advocates to be recognized as Macedonia in the UN. On the other hand, it may show that entering into institutions, like NATO, as FYROM shows that Macedonia is content with its UN reference as FYROM. However, this latter point could possibly become moot if Macedonia actually begins vigorously advocating for the UN to recognize Macedonia as Macedonia.

I think it's a tough question, but I think we shouldn't discredit a person or organization simply because they are willing to be accepted into NATO under Macedonia's UN recognized name (it's a different story, I think, if they agree with Macedonia's UN recognized name as FYROM). There's nothing the Macedonian people can do about what the Macedonian government did nearly 2-decades ago with regards to a UN compromise on the name...they only can demand the current Macedonian government works to change it. However, that's not saying anything else about the plenty of other concerns people have with UMD.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Thanks for the advice Kire, and nice of you to presume that none of us have an idea of how the "political world" works. Do you support the policies of the UMD? Or are you just another Canadian who has been duped by some of these posers who are more interested in gaining favour with the Macedonian and American governments than they are in expressing the true sentiment of the Macedonian diaspora?

Do you support Macedonia's entry into NATO by the UN 'provisional reference' (FYROM)? The UMD do.

[KireMKD]

You guys have to realize how the "political world" works. It is all about lobby groups like UMD getting in the ears of the politicians. The Greeks and especially Albanians have some of the best lobbyist (google Joe DioGuardi) in the US and to get things done you need such people.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

EVERYTHING, those clowns do is funny .. JOKE!

MTO UMD 1 - YouTube

MTO UMD 2 - YouTube

$200 per person event in Chicago? Typo? $20

[Phoenix]

Meto Koloski - United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD) - Washington DC, USA - YouTube

Where's the Macedonian flag?

Funny how UMD have a stylized design of the Macedonian Sun as their logo and yet the Ventilator is strategically placed in the middle of the camera view in the interview with Meto.

Why is UMD so inconsistent with their message, why on Earth does anyone in the diaspora (and non-Macedonian government related) actually use the Ventilator...?

Surely the unifying symbol of the Macedonian people should be the Macedonian Sun ONLY.

[George S.]

The ventilator next will be the self cleaning ventilator flag to match the self cleaning church.
It's all in the mind Mk.a sovereign country can fly any flag it pleases even if they duplicate each other who cares.How can a country Republic of macedonia not fly it's own flag due to greece's province of macedonia.Also the star of kutlesh or the macedonian sun is a symbol of royalty & is not of greek antiquity.How did greece get the star of kutlesh by stealing from the macedonian people.Obviously greece has a supposed problem with that but we don't Also the greeks never used the name macedonia to mean greek before only recently & the macedonian symbols were not of greek glory but macedonian glory.So said alexander himself.That the greeks cannot partake of macedonian glory as the greeksthey were never part of macedonia.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

SPECIAL FOR ALL YOU UMD ASS KISSERS .. 2025

Q. If, the Macedonian Orthodox Church proudly flies the REAL Macedonian flag who is stopping you low lives .. US Greek lobby?

Велигденско послание г.г. Стефан - YouTube

$200 per person in Chicago? Maybe, you better think again?

Meto Koloski - United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD) - Washington DC, USA - YouTube

Where's the Macedonian flag?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

I still can't make up my mind about why they are no good for Macedonia.
1. They are merely a tool of USA foreign policy. OR
2. The Macedonian government are merely a victim of USA foreign policy and the UMD simply follows the Macedonia government around like puppy dogs. OR
3. They just don't get the Macedonian Cause.

Either way, they are and should be irrelevant to Macedonians.

All, of the above however I think most educated Macedonians tuned them out 6 years ago. Where, is the Global Conference?

[Risto the Great]

I still can't make up my mind about why they are no good for Macedonia.
1. They are merely a tool of USA foreign policy. OR
2. The Macedonian government are merely a victim of USA foreign policy and the UMD simply follows the Macedonia government around like puppy dogs. OR
3. They just don't get the Macedonian Cause.

Either way, they are and should be irrelevant to Macedonians.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

thet seem to live of the achievements of others.

From, where I sit the ONLY people they've managed to fool in diaspora countries are the .. sorry no speak or read English Macedonians.

[George S.]

thet seem to live of the achievements of others.