United Macedonia Diaspora

[UMDiaspora.org]

There is still time to attend the 2nd Annual UMD Global Conference starting tomorrow for 4-days! Macedonians from over 20 countries are taking over the Sheraton Centre Toronto Hotel for 4 days! Don't miss out!!! http://www.UMDGlobalConference.org

[Mikail]

The building of what? What have you undertaken with money you've raised to date. Who does UMD support other than UMD?

There is still time to answer some questions about your activities, what you stand for and who you support.

Why such interest in Grants?

[UMDiaspora.org]

Day 1 Highlights of UMD Global Conference: http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/486/1/

[indigen]

UMD would do well to remember that Macedonia does NOT have a "Constitutional Name"...

....as you FOOLISHLY and RIDICULOUSLY promoted last year!

United Macedonian Diaspora - UMD Global Conference Resolution...13 Jun 2009 ... WHEREAS, the Republic of Macedonia's constitutional name is central to the identity and self-determination of the Macedonian people, ...umdiaspora.org/content/view/418/1/ - Cached - Similar

A Google search for terms "Constitutional name" only relates to Macedonia?
That should make the ignorant and uninformed who have swallowed this UNNATURAL (and DEVIOUS ANTI-MACEDONIAN) PROPAGANDA SLOGAN stop and think about what lies behind the push and where it originates.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2858

SMK: Bezusloven prekin na razgovorite za imeto, vednash!

Името на државата Македонија е целосно затворено со референдумот од 8 септември 1991 година, кога македонскиот народ и граѓаните на Република Македонија се изјаснија за “самостојна и суверена држава Македонија”, без придавки и додавки и таа одлука е задолжителна за сите, без исклучок. Разговорите за името на Македонија претставуваат флагрантно кршење на Уставот и законите и повреда на основните човекови права и слободи на Македонците во сите делови на Македонија и во целиот свет. А, именувањето на државата Македонија со времената референца “Поранешна Југословенска Република” или со какво и да е име освен Македонија претставува геноцид врз македонскиот народ кој континуирано трае од поделбата на Македонија по Втората Балканска војна со Букурешкиот договор од 10 август 1913 година и поради тоа Европската Унија заедно со Грција на Македонија и должат извинување и репарации.

Од Претседателот и Владата на Македонија СМК побара веднаш и безусловно да ги прекинат разговорите за името на земјата, без екслузино право према кого и да е и со писмена нота да го воспостават нејзиното единствено историско име Македонија во Обединетите Нации и во сите меѓународни организации, со можност за употреба на уставната референца “Република”, без латинична транскрипција на македонскиот јазик, туку на англиски јазик “The Republic of Macedonia” со меѓународниот код МК односно МКД.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=30936&postcount=28

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SMK-WMC: Igrite so imeto na drzhavata Makedonija [10 Dek. 2001]

".....На секому мора да му објасниме, а по се изгледа и некому меѓу нас самите, дека државата Македонија нема "уставно име", ниту пак името на Македонија со уставната референца "Република" е некакво "композитно име"!

Едноставно, името на државата Македонија не е инаугурирано со Уставот на државата. Оваа држава, оваа земја, се викала Македонија и кога немала Устав. Македонскиот народ така се викал и кога немал држава и кога немал Устав на држава. Оттука, апсурдно е да се тврди дека името на оваа држава е "Република Македонија" и дека тоа е "уставно име" или "композитно име". Името на државата не произлегува од нејзиниот Устав. Во Уставот само се нотира името на државата за да се знае за која земја станува збор, односно за која земја се однесува тој Устав и се утврдува внатрешното уредување, односно политичкиот систем на земјата. За жал, и во Македонија тоа го проповедаат оние, кои се длабоко инволвирани во предлогот на Меѓународната кризна група што не е рецепт од вчера или денес, туку има повеќегодишна генеза, со цел преку институциите на системот на државата Македонија да го имплементираат предлогот на своите странски ментори, како последен културен геноцид за затворање на македонското прашање на Балканот и во Европа....."

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2546

Za Potsetuvanje - Razno

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1761

Makedonska Nacionalna programa (SMK- 1993) - Macedonian National Program (WMC - 1993)

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2348

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Further info on how countries of the world are identified and that many long-established states only recently joined the UN and thus clearly showing that the UN is NOT essential to a state's existence or identity, as some misguided people seem to think it is.


Member States of the United Nations

http://www.un.org/en/members/

Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present

http://www.un.org/en/members/growth.shtml

UN Member States - On The Record

http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/unms/cms.shtml#aMemStates

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mk.html

Country name:
conventional long form: Republic of Macedonia
conventional short form: Macedonia
local long form: Republika Makedonija
local short form: Makedonija
former: People's Republic of Macedonia, Socialist Republic of Macedonia


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Country name:
conventional long form: Hellenic Republic
conventional short form: Greece
local long form: Elliniki Dhimokratia
local short form: Ellas or Ellada
former: Kingdom of Greece

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html

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Country name:
conventional long form: Commonwealth of Australia
conventional short form: Australia
Government type:
federal parliamentary democracy and a Commonwealth realm

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/as.html

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Country name:
conventional long form: French Republic
conventional short form: France
local long form: Republique francaise
local short form: France
Government type: republic

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/fr.html

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Country name:
conventional long form: Republic of Albania
conventional short form: Albania
local long form: Republika e Shqiperise
local short form: Shqiperia
former: People's Socialist Republic of Albania

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Country name:
conventional long form: Italian Republic
conventional short form: Italy
local long form: Repubblica Italiana
local short form: Italia
former: Kingdom of Italy
Government type: republic
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Country name:
conventional long form: Republic of Turkey
conventional short form: Turkey
local long form: Turkiye Cumhuriyeti
local short form: Turkiye
Government type: republican parliamentary democracy
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Thesaurus: conventional

adjective

1. Generally approved or agreed upon: accepted, orthodox, received, recognized, sanctioned.
2. Conforming to established practice or standards: button-down, conformist, establishmentarian, orthodox, straight, traditional. Slang square.
3. Fond of or given to ceremony: ceremonious, courtly, formal, punctilious. See courtesy/discourtesy.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=conventional+&gwp=13

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It would seem that countries have official names, i.e. conventional long form, and conventional short form names by which they are identified and ONLY MACEDONIA has a "CONSTITUTIONAL NAME".

[Soldier of Macedon]

Bump, for two reasons.

First is, the poll closes tomorrow.

Second is, for anybody that has doubts as to the sentiments of Macedonian from around the world that are members of this forum.

[Soldier of Macedon]

If this was an election you would call it a landslide victory to the Neys

The neys certainly have it.

[Frank]

Absolutley Not

[Mr Brandy]

It's easy to find faults and point fingers... which other Macedonian organization would you prefer represent your views globally? Is there one?

[fyrOM]

Is that a Brany Alexander Mr Brandy.

[Mr Brandy]

Is that a Brany Alexander Mr Brandy.

Haha... no I don't drink Brandy Alexander's I just prefer to sip brandy out of small glass... but back to the post - I think a better poll would be one where there are say 5 major leading Macedonian global organizations that the voter could pick from - or just use 4 organizations + other.

P.S. - there's just a little catch - its not easy to come up with a list of 4 or 5

[Risto the Great]

It's easy to find faults and point fingers... which other Macedonian organization would you prefer represent your views globally? Is there one?

All they have to do is subscribe to the Macedonian Cause.
As an example, applying the Cause to the well documented actions of the MPO will preclude them from being a legitimate organisation with goals congruent with the Cause.

[Mr Brandy]

All they have to do is subscribe to the Macedonian Cause.
As an example, applying the Cause to the well documented actions of the MPO will preclude them from being a legitimate organisation with goals congruent with the Cause.

Hi Risto the Great - maybe the UMD has set the bar too high for themselves. There has never been an organization that all Macedonians have been united under. UMD are not perfect - but neither is any other group, government, corporation etc. Perfection is being demanded in a highly imperfect world! Instead of wasting your time self-rightiously condeming them maybe you need to create your own global franchise that will do this work. What's stopping you?

[Vangelovski]

Brandy,

Noone is talking about perfection - we are talking about the absolute minimum - the basic fundamental policy positions that align with the Macedonian cause as it has been defined by successive Macedonian activists from the 19th century to the present.

UMD has been pushing its own "cause", which aligns much more closely with that of our oppressors.

[fyrOM]

Well RTG sounds like Mr Brandy has a suggestion. You certainly have the right name RTG and as for the avatar it cant be beat. You come across as highly intelligent and certainly have your heart in the right place.
All kidding aside I don’t know your disposition in life but would it be something you could find time to accommodate.

In the thread of your travels in SE Asia you spoke of expanding the MTO. Maybe the members here can help you to overrun the UMD and take over their cool name. Seeing there are seats available in the Macedonian parliament for people from the diaspora a single united global organization is needed where people could put forward their ideas and stand as candidates. But where to find such a united global Macedonian organization.

[Vangelovski]

Well RTG sounds like Mr Brandy has a suggestion. You certainly have the right name RTG and as for the avatar it cant be beat. You come across as highly intelligent and certainly have your heart in the right place.
All kidding aside I don’t know your disposition in life but would it be something you could find time to accommodate.

In the thread of your travels in SE Asia you spoke of expanding the MTO. Maybe the members here can help you to overrun the UMD and take over their cool name. Seeing there are seats available in the Macedonian parliament for people from the diaspora a single united global organization is needed where people could put forward their ideas and stand as candidates. But where to find such a united global Macedonian organization.

Why do we need ONE global organisation?