United Macedonia Diaspora

[Prolet]

Spolaj Ti Vangelovski

I agree Bill, he has done alot and he should be honored

We are a small country, having people like Bitove support our cause is massive. I can only hope there are more people like him.

[Vangelovski]

Bill77,

Why do we have to go around the same circles over and over. Nobody questioned his charitable activities - rather, his political views are in question, particularly the Bitove's close association with MPO and Gligorov and the funding of the Gligorov-backed Macedonian World Congress (opposing Todor Petrov's World Macedonian Congress) in the early 1990s. In fact, Bitove actually did his own tour down under in the 90's just like the Boy Wonder, and just like the boy wonder, he failed miserably and in his case, his MWC came undone and noone ever spoke of it again.

Maybe we need a Bitove, Gligorov, Georgievski and Gruevski locked thread, just like the UMD one, for all the goldfish out there.

Bill77,

This might jog your memory:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2862&highlight=bitove+macedonian+world+congress

[Vangelovski]

Spolaj Ti Vangelovski

I agree Bill, he has done alot and he should be honored

We are a small country, having people like Bitove support our cause is massive. I can only hope there are more people like him.

What "cause" is that Prolet?

[Vangelovski]

If you read the bottom right-hand corner of p. 573 (this link should take you straight there), this book confirms John Bitove's funding of the pro-Gligorov MWC (opposing Todor Petrov):

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...people&f=false

[Prolet]

Vangelovski, Its true that Bitove was close to Kiro Gligorov at one stage, however Bitove has done alot of good and now things are different especially in the past 15 years.

Why do you hate Bitove so much? We need more people like him

[Bill77]

Bill77,

Why do we have to go around the same circles over and over. Nobody questioned his charitable activities .

well this is why he they are honouring him is it not?

- rather, his political views are in question, particularly the Bitove's close association with MPO.

where does he stand now regarding MPO? its easy for critics to be negetive, but he might think diferantly towards MPO these days. And yeh we are going in circles, But Bitove might be in the same situation as the many that got sucked in and use to call Traitor Lube Brat , but not anymore.

Gligorov and the funding of the Gligorov-backed Macedonian World Congress (opposing Todor Petrov's World Macedonian Congress) in the early 1990s. In fact, Bitove actually did his own tour down under in the 90's just like the Boy Wonder, and just like the boy wonder, he failed miserably and in his case, his MWC came undone and noone ever spoke of it again.

I can't comment on this i don't know much about it. But i will say it would only be fair and balanced if we were to get his explanation, sadly i don't think it will happen.

[Vangelovski]

Prolet,

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of frankly everything. This is not about hate. I'm simply looking at the Bitove record and their political outlook.

Prolet, why do you contradict yourself so often, fail to understand basic concepts and fail to see clear differences in opposing views?

[Vangelovski]

well this is why he they are honouring him is it not?

where does he stand now regarding MPO? its easy for critics to be negetive, but he might think diferantly towards MPO these days. And yeh we are going in circles, But Bitove might be in the same situation as the many that got sucked in and use to call Traitor Lube Brat , but not anymore.

I can't comment on this i don't know much about it. But i will say it would only be fair and balanced if we were to get his explanation, sadly i don't think it will happen.

Bitove's public statements - from what I've seen - have not changed. Re his ties to Gligorov, check out the link I provided - it has been documented.

[Prolet]

Vangelovski, I think people like Bitove should be doing alot more for Stari Kraj, he's had a bit of history in his past but he has done alot of good too. He is part of the Macedonia 2025 group along side Mike Zafirovski, thats a good thing.

[TrueMacedonian]

If you read the bottom right-hand corner of p. 573 (this link should take you straight there), this book confirms John Bitove's funding of the pro-Gligorov MWC (opposing Todor Petrov):

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...people&f=false

Your book link doesn't work.

[UMDiaspora.org]

Bitove

Some articles on Bitove:

Macedonian PM Visits Ottawa, Toronto; Private Luncheon with John Bitove, UMD Canada, Macedonia 2025

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/428/49/

John Bitove on Canada's Recognition of Macedonia

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/264/51/

Gala Raises $1.3 Million for Scholarships and Canadian Macedonian Place

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/162/56/

Mr. Bitove has been extremely supportive of the Macedonian cause since day one. UMD is proud to honour such a great individual - a role model for the rest of the Macedonian community!

[Vangelovski]

Mr. Bitove has been extremely supportive of the Macedonian cause since day one. UMD is proud to honour such a great individual - a role model for the rest of the Macedonian community!

Which cause Meto? The cause for a vassal Ramkovist state? The cause for a people that deny themselves their own human rights?

[Vangelovski]

Your book link doesn't work.

Its working for me. Here it is again:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...people&f=false

[Risto the Great]

I recall his visit to Adelaide.
From memory he did not impress the local leaders at all.

[UMDiaspora.org]

Bitove

Which cause Meto? The cause for a vassal Ramkovist state? The cause for a people that deny themselves their own human rights?

Read Bitove:

On behalf of all Canadians of Macedonian descent, I want to thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for correcting a long-standing mistake by recognizing the Republic of Macedonia by its correct name, and not one conjured up politically in an attempt to continue the oppression of the Macedonian people.

Canada now joins with more than 120 countries that recognize the injustice of a country being forced to accept the name given by another country, as opposed to a name selected by its people.

As Canadians, we believe that if a person is born on a piece of land, that person has a right to be regarded as a native of that land. Unfortunately for close to 100 years the people of Macedonia were not given that right.

Macedonia is rich with history and in fact Christianity was founded in Pella, Macedonia. In the Bible, St. Paul speaks of Macedonia thousands of years ago. And the world (outside Greece) acknowledges Alexander the Great was Macedonian. Even British prime minister William Gladstone said during his time in office that Macedonia was for the Macedonians.

John Bitove, Toronto.