United Macedonia Diaspora

[Prolet]

Rogi, Again if thats the case then what was he doing in Stari Kraj addressing our Parliament?

When you look at it realistically which Australian MP has ever battled for our interests? Maybe Bob Sercombe to some extent i cant think of many others, not even for people like Peter Bachelor. This is probably the best period to have the Australian MP's support our fight for name recognition.

[Pavel]

prolet, you really should not talk about things you do not know about. you are obviously as uninformed about these things as the umd. others here have explained to you that jenkins does not help our community and that he will never help get recognition for the name. jenkins pretends in public to care about our community but behind the scenes where it counts he is one of our worst opponents. you don't know what you are talking about and others who promote him as our friend have once again shown how incompetent they are.

[Prolet]

Harry Jenkins opposes Macedonians at every opportunity. He is dictated to by his faction, which is essentially run by the Greeks, and as such Harry Jenkins will never be on our side.

Prolet, thank you for posting that, I had not seen or read it before.

Actually, I am surprised by Mile's views, they're good but I didn't know certain relations had been repaired for him to write so positively and so inclusively of all parties.

As a small side note, I do think he underestimates the AMHRC in pont #2 though, they may have a name that implies Human Rights, but they're the ones that are essentially doing everything that goes on behind the scenes with the real power brokers.


I think the National Political Conference organised by the AMHRC scheduled for next month should really bring things together in a much needed coordinated manner.

I agree Rogi, i had the same problem. I underestimated AMHRC myself because up till a little while ago i considered them to be a Human Rights organization and nothing more, its not till i realized how well equipped they are and how they have alot of people with Legal Backgrounds in their team. I cant say that AMHRC has had alot of exposure in the last 5 years or so and i think its time to put them into the spotlight so our people can see that they are much more then a Human Rights Group.

Also Rogi what do you know about this MNSA group that he keeps mentioning? Is that part of what was agreed in the Canberra conference??

[Grotius]

"Rogi, Again if thats the case then what was he doing in Stari Kraj addressing our Parliament?"

Kev, you should know, you sent him there. Our "friend" was telling the Macedonian Parliament and the Macedonian Government that Australia is unlikely to recognise their name.

[Prolet]

prolet, you really should not talk about things you do not know about. you are obviously as uninformed about these things as the umd. others here have explained to you that jenkins does not help our community and that he will never help get recognition for the name. jenkins pretends in public to care about our community but behind the scenes where it counts he is one of our worst opponents. you don't know what you are talking about and others who promote him as our friend have once again shown how incompetent they are.

Pavel, You are jumping the gun here, i mentioned earlier that i have not seen anything out of him and pretty much any other Australian MP apart from Maybe Bob Sercombe, i can say that Luke Simpkins and Darren Cheeseman have done their fair share but they are new to all this.

Osiris already advised me about Harry Jenkins, he needs us because we are in his electorate and this is why he is trying to be close but to me that doesnt mean very much its the results that do count and i havnt seen many from Harry Jenkins. I still remember his statement in Stari Kraj when he said that there is very little chance of Australia recognizing our country he's pretty much shut the door on us but lets see what he can do and lets expose him as our 'true friend' that he claims to be, we have to be organized first in order for him to show his true face.

This is why i posted Mile Terzioski's 10 point plan and some of the people think its positive others not so either way its a good start, if somebody has a better plan then by all means lets hear it, its not like Mile Terzioski is the only one who has an opinion.

[Rogi]

Prolet, he could go to any country, even North Korea, and address their Parliament given he is an Australian Federal MP and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. It does not mean anything.

Inside Australia, he is still part of the Labor Left (or Socialist Left) faction of the Australian Labor Party, and he does toe the line of that faction, which is very much influenced by the Greek lobby (or rather, the Greek membership in the Labor Party) and consistently votes against the Macedonian community and Macedonian community initiatives.

The Labor Right (or Labor Unity) too is influenced to some extent by the Greek lobby, though seemingly less so than the Labor Left. Macedonians make up some numbers of the Labor membership that is aligned with the Labor Right, along with Turks and others. Bill Shorten is a member of the Labor Right.

[Prolet]

Grotius, Oti e sega Kasha Popara kaj nas zatoa vaka si praj shto saka, nie ne sme organizirani kako shto treba kako zaednica ili kako sto velime nie "Selo Bez Kucina" koga ke se sredime kako sto trebi, koga ke ja dobieme celata podrska od nashata zaednica togash druga pesna ke se pee, neka proba da se gibni togash ke go smenime za izborite nema nikoj da glasa za nemu. Ete sega ke ima izbori i zatoa ni se praj prijatel, ama koga togas ke si go pokazhi liceto.

[Grotius]

Kev,

Somebody once mentioned that you are a goldfish - I have got no doubt anymore.

Rogi, it's true that most of the ALP is influenced by the Griks, they certainly "own" the Socialist Left faction, but have a very diminished say in the Right faction. We should also note that a significant part of the Macedonian membership base of the ALP are aligned to the Socialist Left faction - go figure, anything for access to a photocopier I guess.

[Prolet]

Spolaj Ti for the Advise Rogi

i dont dispute what you are saying, i agree that its influenced but is it controlled?? I would assume the Greeks wouldnt want Harry Jenkins around us if they controlled it.

Also Rogi what do you know about this MNSA group that he keeps mentioning? Is that part of what was agreed in the Canberra conference??

I dont think you answered this question

[Grotius]

Grotius, Oti e sega Kasha Popara kaj nas zatoa vaka si praj shto saka, nie ne sme organizirani kako shto treba kako zaednica ili kako sto velime nie "Selo Bez Kucina" koga ke se sredime kako sto trebi, koga ke ja dobieme celata podrska od nashata zaednica togash druga pesna ke se pee, neka proba da se gibni togash ke go smenime za izborite nema nikoj da glasa za nemu. Ete sega ke ima izbori i zatoa ni se praj prijatel, ama koga togas ke si go pokazhi liceto.

I think its been mentioned before, the AMHRC has organised a national political conference that can hopefully address this.

Nema dovolno 'nashi' glasachi da go isvrlime od Parlamentot. Liceto si go ima pokazhano, samo ima mnogu od nashata zaednica shto ne sakat da e vidat vistinata.

[Prolet]

Grotius, Not only that Maknews decided to put up a topic about Dr Mile Terzioski's 10 point plan. Whats your opinion on his plan??

http://www.maknews.com/forum/general-discussions/dr-mile-terzievski-s-ten-point-plan-t18776.html?sid=595f89b91d41be216bc93deb15042fac

I agree with AMHRC organizing a national political conference, mozi nemame dovolno nashi da go izglasame samite ali imame visok broj glasachi koj mozhe da mu naprat problemi na nego. Ako toj ne e spremen da se grizi za nasite interesi, ke izglasame nekoj sto ke bidi.

[osiris]

prolet maybe you think i am an old man bitter with the party i supported in australia since i was 16 handiing out how to vote cards in shepparton, in the middle of country party redneck land.

well its true i am bitter even an ostrich with its head in the sand would be be better informed than the labour party about who we are and our relationship with macedonia.

there fore am i to assume either they do know and dont give a fuck, only votes count , so screw the pesky macedonians

or they dont even want to know anything about our situation, again screw those pesky macedonian who are whinging in gods own country australia.

whichever way you cook the goose mate the alp has not been our friend in australia, and while we willingly accept our fate nothing will change, look at how many macedonians in parliament and compare it to some other ethnic communities.

ever heard the expression the squeaky wheel gets the oil, we as a community are to razbrani and not squeaky enough.

i keep saying it we complain about the prefix the non recognition etc etc etc but we still vote for governments that ignore our rights as australian citizens, but most importantly as human beings with the same rights as every other nations what do we expect.

its time we made a stand

make harry jenkins seat a marginal seat and lets see how loud our voice will sound then.

[Prolet]

Osiris, I dont dispute that one bit the fact that we are even communicating about this is a positive step forward, i can only say that its a step in the right direction. As for you personally i dont think that you are a bitter old man at all, your experience is invaluable to our community its people like yourself who have been there,seen alot who can bring that experience for those who are young and have alot to learn from.

I know that some of us might think we know everything, perhaps some more so then others but one day these people are going to experience first hand on what its all about, to me the people from Egejska Makedonija have suffered so much, the people who've come here before us battling to save their families to feed them bread and put food on the table know alot more then we ever will. Those who came in the 1920s,30s,40s lived the toughest and they are the reason today why we have churches,social clubs etc and we have to be very grateful for that, these people are our role models for our community.

I know im not perfect, i've made a few comments that people dont agree with but at the end of the day we have to look at the positives here and we must fight hard to get recognized in Australia.

[Phoenix]

Grotius, Not only that Maknews decided to put up a topic about Dr Mile Terzioski's 10 point plan. Whats your opinion on his plan??

http://www.maknews.com/forum/general-discussions/dr-mile-terzievski-s-ten-point-plan-t18776.html?sid=595f89b91d41be216bc93deb15042fac

I agree with AMHRC organizing a national political conference, mozi nemame dovolno nashi da go izglasame samite ali imame visok broj glasachi koj mozhe da mu naprat problemi na nego. Ako toj ne e spremen da se grizi za nasite interesi, ke izglasame nekoj sto ke bidi.

Prolet, what's going on with the Grand Poobah over at the Maknews Forum, seems like he's still got a problem with the Australian's...

[Warrior]

Yesterday i attended the MCCV forum at Sheldon Reception and Jenkins was one of the guests and he made a speech. Basically he said its the maco's community fault of why things are not improving within the organisations. Totally side-tracked the name issue nor did he mention ALP's future position. He sounded like a prostitute to me....He said he is a friend of ours, and it made me laugh, as it was done in a cynical way.

Also Meto was there and basically summarised the previous speeches and didnt say much that had substance.

Taking Jenkins away, i though the forum was a good idea as it had speakers from the legal, sport entertainment and other professions.