United Macedonia Diaspora

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, Here's a bit more information about the UMD Dinner which was held at Sheldon Reception.

Prolet, wow that was interesting, Jenkins had an oro with Koloski...

Prolet, the evening was not what UMD had hoped, stop talking it up...

[osiris]

i wonder if they danced the kalamatyano i am betting jenkins already knows that from all the greek socialist left functions he goes to to suck up to his grik buddies.

[Phoenix]

i wonder if the danced the kalmatyanom i am betting jenkisn already knows that from all the greek socialist left functions he goes to to suck uup to his grik buddies.

I reckon getting Shorten there was a good move on behalf of the organizers, big things were said about Shorten's potential once he left the Union movement and entered politics, some say he could be a future Australian PM...I hope those banana's at UMD left a half decent impression...

[osiris]

even if meto was mesmerizing bill will forget asap.

[Prolet]

Phoenix, Its almost like you dont want to agree with me, on one hand you say its good to have people like Bill Shorten there on the other you are criticizing the UMD. I posted you a quote about what was said in regards to Bill Shorten it seems like you couldnt be bothered to read it. Here it is again encase you missed it.

Bill Shorten, MP, имаше одличен говор околу придонесот на македонската заедница во Австралија во последниве 100 години. Shorten спомна дека тој има оформено одлично мислење за Македонците во Австралиа уште кога бил лидер во еден индустриски Синдикат.

Phoenix, You accused me of talking up the event, im telling you what i read and i posted it, so since both of us didnt go to the event wouldnt you think that those who went there know a bit more then we do?? We saw the photos aswell.

It looks very good from here dont you agree? Apparently Lidia from Sheldon Reception did a wonderful job in being the host.

i wonder if they danced the kalamatyano i am betting jenkins already knows that from all the greek socialist left functions he goes to to suck up to his grik buddies.

Osiris, I thought Harry Jenkins was on our side?? He visited Stari Kraj not so long ago.

[osiris]

sure he is mate when he is visiting our functions and on the greeks side when he is visiting them.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, Its almost like you dont want to agree with me, on one hand you say its good to have people like Bill Shorten there on the other you are criticizing the UMD. I posted you a quote about what was said in regards to Bill Shorten it seems like you couldnt be bothered to read it. Here it is again encase you missed it.



Phoenix, You accused me of talking up the event, im telling you what i read and i posted it, so since both of us didnt go to the event wouldnt you think that those who went there know a bit more then we do?? We saw the photos aswell.

It looks very good from here dont you agree? Apparently Lidia from Sheldon Reception did a wonderful job in being the host.

Prolet I reckon the dinner for UMD was poorly attended, you're the one talking it up...I'm very familiar with the garden function room at Sheldon where UMD had the reception, it is a relatively small room, it is the smallest of the 3 facilities that they have at Sheldon, not only that but from the photos it is quite evident that the turnout was very small.

You keep bringing up the articles from AMW but very little was said, it was exactly the same 'smoke and mirrors' style of ambiguity that we've been accustomed to from UMD and their supporters and sponsors.

What Shorten delivered was the typical 'feel good' speech that an invited guest gives to his host...the challenge for UMD is to make more of those 'nice' words...are they capable...?... highly unlikely but time will be the ultimate judge.

[Rogi]

Bill Shorten has had some good relations with the Macedonian community for some time now.
Bob Sercombe, who preceeded Bill Shorten, did too.

It's more about the seat of Maribyrnong I'd say, but Phoenix is right about Shorten being touted as a potential future Labor leader and Prime Minister.

[Phoenix]

Now what do you think about Mile Terzioski's 10 point plan?

Prolet in all honesty I think Mile gives far too much credit to UMD and I wonder whether UMD's inclusion in his 10 point plan has more to do with a gesture of unity than any meaningful need to have UMD involved.

It is vividly clear that UMD are directionless and clumsy, they don't represent the diaspora but rather their small paid up membership, they insist on representing the interests of America's foreign policy goals ahead of Macedonia's needs.

To label UMD's role within the 10 point plan as a "think tank" is very disturbing...UMD are the last organization you would entrust with that role, they can't think for themselves let alone for the entire Macedonian community worldwide.

Some Banana at UMD 'thought' it would be a good idea to involve MPO, then other Banana's agreed with Banana number 1...and Mile wants to elevate these guys into undertaking that primary role...that's crazy talk.

Prolet, UMD are a huge liability to the cause, it is a self serving group, that is power hungry and vindictive.
UMD don't operate in the typical fashion of the majority of human rights campaigners, they seek personal glory ahead of the cause.

They're not free thinkers but sad 'Yes -Men'...

[indigen]

I did not say whether he was or was not but Atseff was his VP in 2005, the time of Lebamoff's (in)famous interview for Kapital Magazine.

Can you show us some official dissension from the MPO anti-Macedonian and pro-bulgar policy?

So he waited until Lebamoff died to defect? He is an old man now, a retired military man.

You want us to buy this sorry excuse of yours? Who are you kidding, I think only YOURSELF and the GULLIBLE ZOMBIES in "UMD" will buy this LIE.

The following statements from 1995 by one of UMDs most loyal current supporters should clarify a few wrong conclusions you and your mate, Meto (below), have been presenting to the gullible about MPO:

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.makedon
From: Lubi Uzunovski
Date: 1995/08/29
Subject: Re: MPO - the language issue

Hmmm...we Macedonians in the Diaspora have known that the MPO has been damaging the position of the ethnic Macedonians for decades. I’m ecstatic to hear that the Republic does not have close contacts with this organization. I agree with the assessment that the MPO is damaging to the Republic, not to mention the ethnic Macedonians in the neighbouring states. Given that such a circumstance appears to be universally known among Macedonians, then one has to decide what is more important, the MPO or the Republic. It took me 0.5 nanoseconds to make my choice.


Well, the Macedonians in the Diaspora don’t speak old-Bulgarian, unless of course they went to Bulgarian classes, as many MPO-ists did. That in itself is telling. Similarly, you won’t get the MPO-ists to subscribe to a newspaper written in standardized Macedonian. So, if the Tribuna has visions of becoming the Nova Makedonia of the Diaspora, then don’t hold your breath. The old MPO-ists won’t buy it, and the Macedonians won’t trust the MPO enough to subscribe in the numbers required.

As for getting rid of the MPO, don’t worry – it’s already dead. Most Macedonians (rightly) consider it infested with bugaromani and spioni....

Do you think the following statements by M. Koloski indicate that he has swallowed MPO propaganda?

Ima vejkhe vesnik za Makedoncite vo SAD i toa e Makedonska Tribuna. Toj vesnik se pechati od 1922.
Thu Aug 12, 2004

"Metodija A. Koloski" <MKoloski@...>
mkoloski2000

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MacedonianMediaMonitor/message/3841

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Mislenjeto za MPO i za Makedonska Tribuna e od sekogas isto, gospodine Koloski - Probugarsko stojaliste i voopsto neprifatlivo za Makedoncite. Prvo i najvazno e jazikot, odnosno pismoto sto e odma vidlivo, a potoa navistina najvaznoto e nivnata platforma.

So pocit, S.

Thu Aug 12, 2004
SG
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macedo...r/message/3852

Meto Koloski:"....Another confusion is the use of "Bulgarian" language in their newspaper, which I highly recommend subscribing to, very informative, no offense to anyone here. I'm subscribed to the Tribune because I want to learn what MPO does and also because it is in English and that is the language I was educated in......

.....The MPO director said that this language is the language they always spoke, and that it is a Macedonian language. In fact, the language they speak is the language before Blaze Konevski did a reorganization of the Macedonian language in the 40s and 50s taking out the iy, yu, ya "meki znaci," and replacing them with Serbian ones...."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MacedonianMediaMonitor/message/3908

Mitreski, you have NOT answered (and it does require an answer and clarification!) the question about Metodija Koloski (UMD President) in regard to the above statements he made in 2004, at time of UMD formation, relating to the Macedonian language and his views on "Macedonian Tribune" (that it is Macedonian since 1922 and URGING other Macedonians to buy (or subscribe to) it and read it).

Given the info on MPO outlined by L. Uzunovski as far back as 1995, how do you rationalize the views of Koloski and the UMD collaboration (starting from UMDs formative stage) efforts with "MPO" in which this HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED ANTI-MACEDONIAN and pro-Bulgarian Trojan horse organization has been provided LEGITIMACY as a "Macedonian" (and a very important one at that) organization and given the green light to recruit amongst unsuspecting Macedonians and an opening to spread its tentacles amongst Macedonian organizations, as the case with v. Atzeff clearly shows?

Points of interest:
L. Uzunovski (1995): "...we Macedonians in the Diaspora have known that the MPO has been damaging the position of the ethnic Macedonians for decades....Well, the Macedonians in the Diaspora don’t speak old-Bulgarian, unless of course they went to Bulgarian classes, as many MPO-ists did. That in itself is telling....As for getting rid of the MPO, don’t worry – it’s already dead. Most Macedonians (rightly) consider it infested with bugaromani and spioni...."

[Grotius]

Jenkins belongs to the faction of the ALP that actively negates the Macedonian people, really, all that happens when organisations invite him to speak at their functions is they give him undeserved credibility in the eyes of the uninformed members of our Community. He is not our "friend".

Shorten on the other hand is a politician first and foremost, but has supported our Community - ironically against Jenkins!

'Kevin Rudd', you are a perfect candidate for the UMD "think tank", you can publish all your insightful analysis as the editor of the Australian UMD Weekly. Think about it, you wouldn't have to worry about the truth, you can forget about the substance, you can feel free to completely misrepresent and spin, and indeed you can change your policy at will. I say go for it Kev.

[Rogi]

Prolet, can you tell me about Mile Terzievski's 10 point plan? Did he write up his own plan or lay out his thoughts, I haven't heard of it and haven't read it? If you have it, can you post a link or the text?


Or do you mean the 12-point plan submitted to the Australian Government after the October 8, 2009 meeting in Canberra held by the the United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD), the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) and the Macedonian National Council (MNC) with the Australian MP's who are part of the Australia Macedonian Parliamentary Friendship Group?

[Prolet]

Phoenix, You do realize they have a massive problem in USA with the population figures, the figure is just over 40,000 people out of 300 million thats really very very little. The latest has it that the MPO wrote in their Tribune for everyone to declare themselves as Macedonians and Maknews still hasnt given up on them. There was never a partnership with the MPO, it was merely an effort to get everybody who are Macedonians to declare as Macedonians, nothing more.

I never said it was a perfect plan but it is a start thats for sure, something needs to be done and all communities need to be united not divided. The UMD's role is very limited, they can only do what our community allows them to do, they are now a part of our community with the UMD Australia Branch however there is only so much they can do on their own.

Grotius, So why would Harry Jenkins visit Stari Kraj and even hold a speech in our parliament?? He was greeted like a King there, he's been to all our events and functions plus not to forget he's been a special guest on a few occasions. Why wasnt Peter Bachelor invited? He usually goes aswell

Osiris, Harry Jenkins is there to represent all people, but at the same time he has to respect the rights of every minority in Australia. I would say he is a friend to our community but i must say he hasnt done too much for us other then dancing the traditional Oro.

[Prolet]

Prolet, can you tell me about Mile Terzievski's 10 point plan? Did he write up his own plan, I haven't heard of it?

Thanks for the question Rogi, as it states below i will paste his 10 point plan, it is his personal opinion as he clearly states.

Следат мои лични мислења за тоа како може да тргнеме напред како заедница и да зборуваме со еден глас и да го постигнеме "единството на целта" во Австралија.
1. ОМД е "тинк танк" на високо ниво, со седиште во светската "престолнина на моќта". Најзначајната улога на ОМД е да изгради моќно македонско лоби составено од млади Македонци, кое ќе се надградува врз нивното сегашнот присуство во Вашингтон и глобално, и ќе ја обедини македонската дијаспора и ќе и помогне на Република Македонија.
2. AMHRC е конкретно фокусирана врз човечките права на Македонската заедница во Австралија и глобално. AMHRC е клучна организација со значајни постигнувања и мора да биде почитувана и вклучена.
3. Македонскиот национален совет на Австралија (MNSA) е оперативно тело на Македонската заедница во Австралија и ги претставува инкорпорираните организации во Советите базирани во федералните држави. Улогата на MNSA е да зборува од името на Македонската заедница на Австралија во тесна консултација со AMHRC и ОМД.
4. AMHRC и ОМД треба да бидат тесно поврзани со MNSA согласно спогодбата постигната на основачкиот состанок на MNSA во септември 2009.
5. Трите организации да се договорат за лабава конфедерација истовремено задржувајќи го нивниот "организациски идентитет" под името Австралиска Македонска заедница.
6. Врз основа на овие и други принципи да биде подготвен меморандум на разбирање.
7. Документ за единствена стратегија да биде подготвен за следната деценија врз основа на претстојниот форум на Советот на Македонската заедница на Викторија, конференцијата на AMHRC и состанокот на MNSA во март.
8. Натамошни состаноци во Канбера да бидат организирани од MNSA, AMHRC и ОМД и да имаат извршни претставници на трите организации во согласност со меморандумот за разбирање.
9. Собирањето финансиски средства и барањето владини дотации да биде координирано од страна на трите организации во согласност со меморандумот на разбирање.
10. Трите организации да го усвојат македонското мото "ние имаме единствена цел на постоење, ние се признаваме едни со други не низ конкуренција туку низ соработка во името на нашето македонско наследство, култура, земја, јазик и вера".

http://www.australianmacedonianweekly.com/edition/1112_23022010/082_nastani_k.html

[Rogi]

Harry Jenkins opposes Macedonians at every opportunity. He is dictated to by his faction, which is essentially run by the Greeks, and as such Harry Jenkins will never be on our side.

Prolet, thank you for posting that, I had not seen or read it before.

Actually, I am surprised by Mile's views, they're good but I didn't know certain relations had been repaired for him to write so positively and so inclusively of all parties.

As a small side note, I do think he underestimates the AMHRC in pont #2 though, they may have a name that implies Human Rights, but they're the ones that are essentially doing everything that goes on behind the scenes with the real power brokers.


I think the National Political Conference organised by the AMHRC scheduled for next month should really bring things together in a much needed coordinated manner.