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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostLeave it to Greek media to classify discrimination as a "political dispute."
"No, no, Europe. You got it all wrong. That we don't give them basic rights or respect them and their identity is only politics. Nothing to see here."
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostIt's not only a political dispute; it also has a legal, historical and even (if I may say) an existential side.
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Originally posted by Spirit View PostCare to explain how it is legal? What is illegal is how one nation can try to impose what another nation calls itself. What is illegal is how one nation can deny basic human rights, the right to self determination as under The Declaration of Universal Human Rights
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostNow that I think about it I was wrong; the main dispute is not exactly legal (i.e. a problem that can be solved by International Court). To be more precise, it is a problem of international relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
― George Orwell
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Originally posted by DraganOfStip View PostIt's more like a problem of Greek relations, since the international community itself has no problem whatsoever with the country's name.Or in other words,it is more of an unilateral problem that is being forced and imposed to be international.
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostMost international problems involve mainly 2 or 3 countries (e.g. Cyprus, Ukraine, Kosovo). There are also others (usually neighbors or Great Powers) who have a smaller interest.
Cyprus has a problem between the Greeks and the Turks that live on that island,both of which claim rights to it.Ukraine is amid a civil war in a part of it's territory,and Kosovo is a wannabe country that half the world refuses to recognize because of the way it was created.
On the other hand,Macedonia nor the rest of the world for that matter has any problem with it's name,this issue was imposed by a neighboring country and it presents interference in a sovereign nation's internal affairs.If I want to be called Andgjfperrbedi,there's no one in the world that has the right to forbid it.”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
― George Orwell
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Originally posted by DraganOfStip View PostThe countries you mentioned above and their problems can in no way be compared to the Macedonian name issue.
Cyprus has a problem between the Greeks and the Turks that live on that island,both of which claim rights to it.Ukraine is amid a civil war in a part of it's territory,and Kosovo is a wannabe country that half the world refuses to recognize because of the way it was created.
Originally posted by DraganOfStip View PostOn the other hand,Macedonia nor the rest of the world for that matter has any problem with it's name,this issue was imposed by a neighboring country and it presents interference in a sovereign nation's internal affairs.If I want to be called Andgjfperrbedi,there's no one in the world that has the right to forbid it.
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostYour definition on what a bilateral problem is, is not very successful.
Kosovo doesn’t see any problem on its’ independence either. Turkey didn’t see any problem on occupying the north part of Cyprus until recently (when oil was discovered in the South).
Macedonia didn't wage separatist war in a country where historically it has always been a part of, nor did it invade an island to grab a hold of it's natural resources.It's just beyond comparison.
How a country calls itself can only be determined by the will of it's people.Whether or not some other country (out of 200) has a problem with it for whatever reason is irrelevant.”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
― George Orwell
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MHRMI and AMHRC Demand an Apology from the IOC for Disrespecting Macedonia
MHRMI and AMHRC Demand an Apology from the IOC for Disrespecting Macedonia
TORONTO and MELBOURNE (August 12, 2016) - The Olympic charter claims that "The practice of sport is a human right." As is using your own country’s name. Once again, Macedonian athletes were forced to walk in behind the letter "F" for "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (or its equivalent) at the Olympic opening ceremonies. In Rio, it was “E” for “Ex”, in Sochi, “B” for the Russian word for “former”, and it’s the standard “F” in English-speaking countries. Any letter except “M” for “Macedonia” has become a hallmark of the IOC. The sheer size of the sign that said “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia” in the Parade of Nations shows the extent to which the IOC buckles when faced with Greek opposition to Macedonia’s name.
Macedonian Human Rights Movement International and the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee demand an immediate apology from the IOC for its blatant disrespect of Macedonia and its athletes. The IOC even succumbed to more Greek pressure and moved Macedonia from M for “MKD” to “T” for “The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia” on the Rio 2016 website. Again, any letter except M. Of course, no use of simply “Macedonia” or “Republic of Macedonia” is ever permitted by the IOC.
Not only do we except and demand an apology from the IOC, it must also announce an immediate policy change to allow, yes “allow”, Macedonia to use its own name at the Olympics. We further reiterate our demand that the farcical UN-sponsored name negotiations be immediately ended and denounced, as an obvious attempt to eradicate Macedonia’s existence. These words were echoed by the first UN mediator for the name dispute, Robin O’Neil, who is pleading for an end to the name negotiations.
Greece has in the past admitted to manufacturing this dispute as a way to continue its denial and persecution of the large Macedonian population that it inherited after Macedonia’s partition among Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece and Albania at the beginning of the twentieth century. Moreover, it is Greece that is trying to appropriate Macedonia’s name, not the other way around as it claims.
Instead of deferring to the politically-motivated UN as an excuse to not defend human rights and common sense, the IOC must take action which shows unequivocally that the romanticizing and coddling of Greece has ended. Greece, while celebrated as the birthplace of the ancient Olympics, never existed as an entity or idea in ancient times. The modern Greek state was formed in 1830. IOC, show the world that the Olympic Games will no longer tolerate Greece's denial of Macedonia’s name and the Macedonian people.
We urge the Olympic community to show solidarity and join our demand for respect and equality. The right to self-determination is the most fundamental of human rights. Our Name Is Macedonia. IOC, respect it.
INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE
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Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI) has been active on human and national rights issues for Macedonians and other oppressed peoples since 1986. For more information: 1-416-850-7125, [email protected], www.mhrmi.org, www.twitter.com/mhrmi, www.facebook.com/mhrmi, www.mhrmi.org/OurNameIsMacedonia
Established in 1984 the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) is a non governmental organisation that advocates before governments, international institutions and broader communities about combating discrimination and promoting basic human rights. Our aspiration is to ensure that Macedonian communities and other excluded groups throughout the world are recognised, respected and afforded equitable treatment. For more information please visit www.macedonianhr.org.au, email [email protected] or via +61 3 9329 8960.
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International Paralympic Committee - Show That you Respect Macedonia's Name
International Paralympic Committee - Show That you Respect Macedonia's Name
Macedonian Human Rights Movement International and the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee
Toronto and Melbourne (Sept.1, 2016) - Macedonian Paralympians, like their Olympian counterparts, will be forced to enter the Rio Paralympics Opening Ceremony behind the letter “E” for “Ex”, putting a regional twist on the infamous “F” for “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”. The Paralympic website, like the Olympic one, lists Macedonia under “T” for “The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”. Depending on the local language, Macedonian athletes have entered behind many letters, except M, of course, for the actual name of their country, Macedonia. Furthermore, Macedonian athletes are not permitted to use their own country name on their uniforms. See Macedonian sprinter, Riste Pandev, in the photo below (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrPxNCVUsAAAejm.jpg) racing against athletes from Indonesia, Afghanistan and Gabon. Pandev's uniform is blank. What an Olympic-sized slap in the face.
This spectacle occurs because Greece objects to Macedonia using its own name, and international institutions, at best, have no desire to stand up for common sense and the most basic of human rights or, at worst, they’re complicit in Greece’s attempts to “wipe Macedonia off the map”. Those are the words of the first UN mediator for the name dispute, Robin O’Neil.
Greece has admitted to initiating the artificial name dispute as a means to keep denying the existence of the Macedonian nation and to persecute the Macedonian minority that it inherited after Macedonia’s partition among Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece and Albania at the beginning of the twentieth century. Moreover, it is Greece that is trying to appropriate Macedonia’s name, not the other way around as it claims.
The vast majority of the world has recognized Macedonia using its proper name, so why does the most nonsensical dispute in UN history linger? Certainly the UN, IOC, FIFA, etc., have been unable to provide any reason. End the farcical name negotiations now and the "name dispute" will be over.
Call to action: The International Paralympic Committee has shown that it thinks independently of the corrupt IOC. Let’s see proof in the Rio Paralympic Games. Join us in our demand that Macedonia’s name be respected. Macedonian Paralympians, wear 'Macedonia' on your jerseys and do not wait for permission to use your own country's name.
International Paralympic Committee (IPC)
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Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI) has been active on human and national rights issues for Macedonians and other oppressed peoples since 1986. For more information: 1-416-850-7125, [email protected], www.mhrmi.org, www.twitter.com/mhrmi, www.facebook.com/mhrmi, www.mhrmi.org/OurNameIsMacedonia
Established in 1984 the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) is a non governmental organisation that advocates before governments, international institutions and broader communities about combating discrimination and promoting basic human rights. Our aspiration is to ensure that Macedonian communities and other excluded groups throughout the world are recognised, respected and afforded equitable treatment. For more information please visit www.macedonianhr.org.au, email [email protected] or via +61 3 9329 8960.
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It would not have cost the Macedonian Olympic Committee (or Pandev for that matter) more than $2 and a few seconds to get a permanent marker and write Macedonia onto his uniform if they had to.
Small, simple, yet powerful actions. If we don't respect our own identity, why on earth would anyone else? The diaspora won't forever be cleaning up the stinking shit coming out of that country...many of us are getting tired.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Great idea. Maybe we can donate textas to Macedonia.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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We had the following sentence missing at the end of the press release, just added it:
Macedonian Paralympians, wear 'Macedonia' on your jerseys and do not wait for permission to use your own country's name.
We've been calling for Macedonian Olympians to do the same. We all have to keep up the pressure.
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