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The answer is in that concept - vassal.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams -
What benefits do we gain by engaging a Greek position that denies our right to exist?
At the very least, we reinforce the Greek position that Greeks can be Macedonians, too; because that is just one (false) assumption that they carry to the table.
Macedonia was never Greek. So why give such a lie international political legitimacy, by engaging it through these negotiations, as something that is valid?
There are 101 reasons why the negotiations are doing us terrible damage, including the abuse of our soveriegnty.
If the Macedonian people were actually given an opportunity to have their say on the subject - they would end it immediately.
Furthermore, the E.U rejected our right to exist in 1994. Gruevski in fact lied when he said that they reversed this decision - they never reversed it! It is still the position of the E.U - Change our name, or never become a member. If you follow this through logically, UMD which constantly defends the E.U position with regard to our identity, is in fact defending an anti-Macedonian position.Comment
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Here are some more gems from the UMD jester over at maknews:
The AMHRC/MHRMI took a great idea, which could have united the community like nothing else, and pissed it away because of ego issues and a lack of professionalism..........Moron.Perhaps the UMD should swallow its pride, and despite the regretful lack of professionalism shown by the AMHRC/MHRMI and their supporters, make a clear statement in support of this campaign - as much as they reasonably can.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.Comment
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Let us not kid ourselves, all of these organisations rely on the Diaspora dollar. Some like the AMHRC/MHRMI even deserve it.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.comComment
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While others like UMD seek to use it to push a vision which is detremental to our cause, including support for the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement, and support for our vassal politicians who clearly are not working for Macedonian freedom, but their own career prospects.Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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So I take it you don't have an answer...Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!Comment
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Buktop,Originally posted by Buktop View Post
You're getting close to making it to the Prolet list as well...hang on, you're already on it.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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How about an apology Vangelovski? I seem to be in the firing line in all your arguments.Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostМАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.Comment
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Prolet,Originally posted by Prolet View Post
How about you come out and tell us exactly what your relationship with Petar is.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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Vangelovski, Sure
Im my lifetime i've seen him about 3 times and i've never had a conversation with him.МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.Comment
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And the reason you spread his malicious propaganda?Originally posted by Prolet View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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Vangelovski, Where is my apology? I wasnt even in this conversation until you threw me in. Now all of the sudden you are turning this into a church dispute.
I've posted numerous websites regarding the church dispute, i've posted information on both sides. If i was Bishop Petar's pawn i would object to anything bad written or said against him, your accusations are baseless and ridiculous.
If you have a problem with democracy then dont blame me for it, there are always two sides to every story, at the end of the day i just want all this to go away and forget we ever had this conversation, that would be ideal for everybody. Its a big shame to our community.МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.Comment
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Don't play dumb prolet.Originally posted by Prolet View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
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Thanks for your admission to not being able to answer the question. Have a nice day.Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!Comment
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Prolet, you have hit the nail on the head. The one here supposedly advocating the independence, the sovereignty, and the principled democratic governance of Macedonia, himself has a problem with free speech and the right to an opinion.Originally posted by Prolet View Post"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!Comment
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