Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI)

[iskra]

Good work by MHRMI and AMHRC. I will be making a donation and all organizations should sign on to this campaign!

[Risto the Great]

Anything up yet AMHRC?

[AMHRC]

We are very near Risto, we shall keep you posted.

[MHRMI]

MHRMI/AMHRC Press Conference about the Our Name is Macedonia ad campaign

The printed ads appeared in Dnevnik and Utrinski Vesnik. More to come.

MHRMI and AMHRC held a press conference about the Our Name is Macedonia ad campaign. Here is Macedonian media coverage of it:

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=36A96E552024F5478AFFF2A30A862FBC

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.asp?vest=72810103457&id=9&prilog=0&setIzdanie=22045

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=63239

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=125814

http://www.vesti.alfa.mk/default.aspx?mId=57&eventId=25638

[julie]

Good work guys.

[Serdarot]

honestly, i dont like how they report on this (the media in RoM)

all that "iselenicite" "diasporata" "drn drn" ...

like they want to leave the impression that the Macedonians in RoM wish the negotiations to go on

[AMHRC]

Here is a link to footage of the press conference held by representatives of the campaign in Skopje:

http://www.youtube.com/televizijasonce#p/a/u/0/xA5XeZH9GfA

[Risto the Great]

There appears to be an ugly mentality in Macedonia. Resentment appears to exists when Diaspora Macedonians say anything. I am astounded by the negativity and fear a backlash from actions such as this. Looking at some of the comments, the majority are in the following fashion:

"You come here and live here and then tell us what we should be doing. Don't drive your 20 cars and tell us what we should be doing etc"

I am horrified. This could backfire and I feel a little dirty right now.

Macedonian citizen says:

ako cekame nie na vas od dijasporata da ne spasite, tesko nas...vratete se nazad i togas delete soveti, a ne vaka, so polni dzepovi im raskazuvate prikazni na luge koi ne mozat da go preziveat mesecot

Diaspora Macedonian says:

da ne sme nie od dijasporata sto doagaat i trosat pari vo Makedonija sekoja godina a tie pari se vrtat po vasi dzebovi, i da ne e dijasporata sto sekoja familija vo Makedonija , bilo da e Makedonska, Albanska ili Turska familija , ima po nekoj vo stranstvo, vie ke umrete za jadenje, nikoj ne rabotite, ne sakate da rabotite za 200-300 evra a po cel den sedite po kafeani i kafici se pijancite i samo igrate sportska prognoza, pa so koi pari igrate sportska i piete po kafani a nikoj ne rabotite? i sega ke kazuvate tuka dijasporata da ne se mesa i da trae, za vas treba ni denar poveke da se naucite na maka i da sfatete deka ednas mora da prestanete so kocka i da pocnete da rabotite a ne mi setate 40 godishni nezeneti a pricinata bila nemale rabota , trebalo pari itn itn.

I want to say to Macedonian citizens that I want to be supportive of them and am sympathetic to their views. But, much to my disappointment, I don't sleep in the afternoons, I don't have time to sit around drinking coffees, beers etc. with friends during the working day and I am extremely conscious of how I can represent Macedonians in the best possible fashion here in Australia.

I see no difference between them and the Greeks looking for a quick (easy) dollar. I hope this initiative makes people think a little more than their next coffee. But now have my doubts. Fingers crossed my concerns are immaterial.

[Bratot]

There appears to be an ugly mentality in Macedonia. Resentment appears to exists when Diaspora Macedonians say anything. I am astounded by the negativity and fear a backlash from actions such as this. Looking at some of the comments, the majority are in the following fashion:

"You come here and live here and then tell us what we should be doing. Don't drive your 20 cars and tell us what we should be doing etc"

I am horrified. This could backfire and I feel a little dirty right now.

Macedonian citizen says:


Diaspora Macedonian says:

I want to say to Macedonian citizens that I want to be supportive of them and am sympathetic to their views. But, much to my disappointment, I don't sleep in the afternoons, I don't have time to sit around drinking coffees, beers etc. with friends during the working day and I am extremely conscious of how I can represent Macedonians in the best possible fashion here in Australia.

I see no difference between them and the Greeks looking for a quick (easy) dollar. I hope this initiative makes people think a little more than their next coffee. But now have my doubts. Fingers crossed my concerns are immaterial.

Risto I think you noticed the game, one person first under the name
Mitre od dolnodupeni is posting negative insulting comments on EVERY medium about this initiative.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=63239

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.asp?vest=72810103457&id=9&prilog=0&setIzdanie=22045

and you can notice the especially tendentious comments by - A1 which are clearly ordered as on every other article about the name issue:

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=125814#komentari

This is NOT an accidental but has simple mission to spread disagreement and argue among us, don't let some instructed manipulative provocators to create your emotions.

Mediums like A1 would like to cut off the influence and opinion of the Diaspora by presenting them worthless or negativelly and if we allow our emotions to be led by some paid provocators we will only give more fuel into their negative propaganda.

The best way is to ignore such commentaries and focus on the aim, don't allow to be distracted from this path no matter who says what in order to kill your faith in our people.

[Rogi]

Risto,

Bratot is correct. The commentary on most of those sites is non-representative. The bulk of those comments are in fact the same handful of people, who are paid to comment on the media sites and blogs, using various different persona's.

It's a whole industry in Macedonia now, from political parties to NGO's to the larger companies, all of which who have an agenda, employing these PR/Media Consultants who post these comments day-in, day-out, based on the agenda of their clients.

[blackcactus]

There appears to be an ugly mentality in Macedonia. Resentment appears to exists when Diaspora Macedonians say anything. I am astounded by the negativity and fear a backlash from actions such as this. Looking at some of the comments, the majority are in the following fashion:

The initiative is a good one, but we must be careful to avoid any 'them and us'

It appears that any future campaign may have to be seen to have the backing of internal elements as well, Delchev himself felt only true change comes from those living in the country, we the diaspora can help, but not without the internal Macedonians

People from particular political persuasions will get some mileage from the argument that anything coming from the diaspora is not to be trusted, and some will buy into this, it's classic divide and conquer

Being a little humble before the Macedonian's still living in Macedonia under difficult conditions helps to build some trust, things we like to criticize them for should be done with sensitivity in mind, like not calling the flag a 'ventilator' for example, there are those that wish to divide us who are looking for ammunition

Again I believe the initiative is a good one, and I thank AMHRC and MHRMI for their amazing work!

Please keep it up!

With great respect

BC

[aleksandrov]

The vassal propaganda machine in Macedonia is trying to undermine this initiative by suggesting that VMRO-DPMNE is behind it, using its 'installations' in the Diaspora as a cover to avoid offending the "international community":

http://www.vreme.com.mk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1&EditionID=2081&ArticleID=145450

[Jankovska]

I don't think there is a great plan to spread dissagreement on the sites, I think most Macedonians do think that way. Afterall when I lived there I thought the same. My cousin coming from Australia bitching about how hard is to sleep on a kauch, she has armchairs bigger than that...
Plus I have had the same words thrown in my face many many times from people who are not paid by the powers that be.
There is a problem between the Macedonians in RoM and the diaspora. What is the problem?
The problem is the Diaspora LOVE to go back in the summer and just fucking show off how rich they are. The fraeri. It's pathetic. Crnci cela godina da zastedi za odmor with his Audi TT na kredit ali covece on e fraer. See I hate people like that and if I were still in Macedonia and a mocko like that dosol da mi soli pamet I would tell him to ff off back where his come from.
The Macedonians in Macedonia just like anything to bitch about, too much free time I guess. Their situation is not easy, jobs are almost non existant and it's hard. They seem to have accepted that and started in a bad way to enjoy the mentality.
I don't have many Macedonian friends in the UK because of that reason. Had lots at the begining but I was tired and fed up of listening to their lies and pretends when I would go to Macedonia. My mum always used to say: Oh they all made it but you, tolku li si prosta. Oni koli, kuki, pari, blah blah blah. Most of them a loans, loans loans and falbi, falbi falbi. Risto is right, if you work for your money in a Western country you work your arse off but Risto admits that. Most Diaspora Macedonians are 'direktori' i 'menageri' and do't do anythi ng. We need unity, something to connect us all. We have only ourselves to blame for this seperation, makedonskata falba i makedonskata ljubomora. Ovoj se fali, ovoj se moli kozata da mu umre.

[Prolet]

What a disgraceful article by Vreme another one of Velija's propaganda machines its beyond a joke thats for sure.

I totally agree with Bratot, people are payed to write negative comments and its usually a hand full of people who do it.

Lets not forget that only a few days ago Vest came out with a story how Branko Crvenkovski and Velija Ramkovski held a meeting on who the next prime minister should be.

[Bratot]

I don't think there is a great plan to spread dissagreement on the sites, I think most Macedonians do think that way. Afterall when I lived there I thought the same. My cousin coming from Australia bitching about how hard is to sleep on a kauch, she has armchairs bigger than that...
Plus I have had the same words thrown in my face many many times from people who are not paid by the powers that be.
There is a problem between the Macedonians in RoM and the diaspora. What is the problem?
The problem is the Diaspora LOVE to go back in the summer and just fucking show off how rich they are. The fraeri. It's pathetic. Crnci cela godina da zastedi za odmor with his Audi TT na kredit ali covece on e fraer. See I hate people like that and if I were still in Macedonia and a mocko like that dosol da mi soli pamet I would tell him to ff off back where his come from.
The Macedonians in Macedonia just like anything to bitch about, too much free time I guess. Their situation is not easy, jobs are almost non existant and it's hard. They seem to have accepted that and started in a bad way to enjoy the mentality.
I don't have many Macedonian friends in the UK because of that reason. Had lots at the begining but I was tired and fed up of listening to their lies and pretends when I would go to Macedonia. My mum always used to say: Oh they all made it but you, tolku li si prosta. Oni koli, kuki, pari, blah blah blah. Most of them a loans, loans loans and falbi, falbi falbi. Risto is right, if you work for your money in a Western country you work your arse off but Risto admits that. Most Diaspora Macedonians are 'direktori' i 'menageri' and do't do anythi ng. We need unity, something to connect us all. We have only ourselves to blame for this seperation, makedonskata falba i makedonskata ljubomora. Ovoj se fali, ovoj se moli kozata da mu umre.

Jankovska,

that's the purpose of those commentaries, to befog the real topic and to dip the negative attitude from the stereotipical thinking which is very easy to be provoked.

Instead of one voice on this matter they are creating disagreement and untrust among us so they tiles their path for a successful propaganda.

We can deal ourself later and we can continue the primitive rivalry Republic vs Diaspora anytime but on this issue we have to mainteine our unity and fight back all the time.

This routine with the destructive commentaries under the positive articles are not unknown for us dealing the same tactic of the Greeks or Bulgars, trying to compromise us, to have us depicted as divided about our identity and origins.