Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche
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Macedonian Church Dispute in Australia
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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View PostPerhaps it’s because some Christian forum members have gotten the impression from other forum members that this forum should (in the bests interests of the cause) be secular in nature… but I guess I could have gotten my wires crossed on that one, or there is the possibility that I don’t know what secular means.
I find the assertions and mitigating proposals by the MPC noted in the article to be ridiculous by the way, so my sentiments are in line with yours in this regard.
In fact, I wasn't talking about our fanatical christians here. I was talking about the ones frequenting the churches and listening to these pathetic veiled, manipulative threats founded upon the suggestion that using a non-approved priest will result in denial of entry through the pearly gates.
But since we all agree about that, we can all go back to Sweden or continue polishing our guns.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Niko777 View PostIs this policy directed to all Macedonian-Australian churches not under the jurisdiction of the Petar?
Originally posted by Niko777 View PostI still don't fully understand this dispute, but the first question that always comes to mind is how can one Bishop be put in charge of two dioceses (Bitola and Australia)? For example the Macedonian dioceses of North America and Europe each have their own bishops.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostA 73 page thread about the Macedonian Church dispute gave you the impression you shouldn't comment. Interesting. Perhaps some calming tablets are in order.
In fact, I wasn't talking about our fanatical christians here. I was talking about the ones frequenting the churches and listening to these pathetic veiled, manipulative threats founded upon the suggestion that using a non-approved priest will result in denial of entry through the pearly gates.
But since we all agree about that, we can all go back to Sweden or continue polishing our guns.
I have close relatives in Sweden, it’s a lovely country. I also no longer have a gun in the house, so the only polishing I do is of my guitars… and occasionally my motorcycles… carry onLast edited by Tomche Makedonche; 10-27-2015, 09:10 PM.“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio
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Last edited by Vangelovski; 10-27-2015, 09:13 PM.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostIts funny, but I had that exact same impression. I was almost going to comment yesterday, but decided against it.“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio
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Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View PostI decided against it too, on a few prior occasions. Resistance gets harder in the face of repetition, however since its now been noted, I'm happy to leave it at that, for the bests interests of the cause.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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It appears salvation is only possible through your wallet directly to MPC-OA if you are Macedonian. At least that is what some charlatans would use religion to convince people of.
C'mon you fanatical Christians, rise and and condemn this Bishop! Surely as concerned (and devout) Macedonians you must feel compelled to do so!Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View PostOr perhaps discussing other secular subjects like “how Muslim children walk out when national anthem is sung”, or “Guns etched with bible verses to deter Muslims” or “Clerks citing God’s authority to deny gay marriages”… you know those kind of secular subjects.
But surely the most religious Macedonians would feel compelled to denounce the lying Bishop! I await your action(s)!
I polish my guitars sometimes too. Then Carnauba wax. The feeling is almost spiritual thereafter.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostREAL Christians should be VIOLENTLY opposing this all?
A religious war no less!
Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostWhy aren't the real christians violently opposing this line of bullshit?
B) "Real Christians" can discern what is from God and what is not, why do real Christians need to show concern with what is not from God? Yes It's detriment to Gods name and saddens me when "So called" Christian people or organisations hijack Gods name but do not do what's from him. All a real Christian can do is warn the confused by using scripture, but many always seem to have a raw nerve hit for some reason and rebuke.
Finally I will say this regarding the Macedonian Orthodox Church. And it comforts me knowing that those behind this organisation will not get away with it at the end. (Warning Chris it's scripture)
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [a]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’Last edited by Bill77; 10-27-2015, 10:48 PM.http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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Originally posted by Bill77 View PostAll a real Christian can do is warn the confused by using scripture, but many always seem to have a raw nerve hit for some reason and rebuke.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI think you have confused the "Cause" with discussions allowed on the forum. I'm all up for a laugh any time and can distinguish between the two..
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostBut surely the most religious Macedonians would feel compelled to denounce the lying Bishop! I await your action(s)!.
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI polish my guitars sometimes too. Then Carnauba wax. The feeling is almost spiritual thereafter.Last edited by Tomche Makedonche; 10-27-2015, 11:20 PM.“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio
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The chrch has created more problems that seem insurmountable.Its not as clear cut as it used to be.Its not just the religion its man making his own religion and representations of god.WE all seem to humanise everything and the price we pay is we throw the baby out with the bathwater,Last edited by George S.; 10-28-2015, 12:21 AM."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by Bill77 View PostBecause A) "Real Christians" (Who follow teachings) oppose violence unlike the mob you've shown to be apologetic towards in another thread....
B) "Real Christians" can discern what is from God and what is not, why do real Christians need to show concern with what is not from God? Yes It's detriment to Gods name and saddens me when "So called" Christian people or organisations hijack Gods name but do not do what's from him. All a real Christian can do is warn the confused by using scripture, but many always seem to have a raw nerve hit for some reason and rebuke.
I believe wars can be justified by (real) Christians but I eagerly await correction on this.
I also believe (real) Christians might make a difference on this one. Because nobody else has. If they stand up and denounce the MPC-OA collectively, maybe something will change.
Originally posted by BillFinally I will say this regarding the Macedonian Orthodox Church. And it comforts me knowing that those behind this organisation will not get away with it at the end. (Warning Chris it's scripture)
They seem to be getting away with it. They do it by lying and scaring their flock. To stop getting away with it, surely the scripture can be used to disprove these liars. Why not utilise the most devout Christian Macedonians to achieve this result. Or will they have to denounce the Macedonian Orthodox faith in order to do so?Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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