Macedonian Church Dispute in Australia

[George S.]

I thought that clown was replaced by timothy?What new thing is he devising to send them all broke if that hasn't happened.

[Stojacanec]

This church dispute is causing immeasurable damage to the Macedonian community in Australia. Petar should have his head examained.

[makedonche]

This church dispute is causing immeasurable damage to the Macedonian community in Australia. Petar should have his head examained.

Stojacanec
Not quite, he just needs it handed to him!

[George S.]

the vladika wants the tapia with his name if you please.

[George S.]

whats the latest in the church dispute does anyone know ?

[Vangelovski]

Petar has finally lost. It seems a new diocese will be registered as an incorporated non-profit association with Timotej as Bishop and each local church will join as a member (and will continue to be incorporated non-profit associations), which is basically what the Australian Macedonian community wanted all along.

http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/dijaspo...-nova-eparhija

I think all Petar is left with are 3 churches whose property titles are in his name and a bunch of churches that exist on paper only. Not sure what is happening with St. Petka.

Any updates from people that are closer to the issue?

[George S.]

what happened to the units this clown sold in rockdale where did the money go.?What afucking clown he wastes over 10 million dollars & now this clown petar has hit a solution.Obviously he didn't know to ask for advice in the first place.

[George S.]

guys just heard today on macedonian radio how petar lost the case on sv petrka rockdale.

Does anyone know more?.

[Risto the Great]

Macedonian Church Causes Grave Storm Down Under

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-church-scraps-burials-weddings-10-23-2015

The Macedonian Orthodox Church, MPC, has reassured believers in Australia that they will not have to re-bury their dead after it pronounced thousands of burials, marriages and baptisms there invalid.
Sinisa Jakov Marusic BIRN Skopje

The Holy Synod of the Macedonian Orthodox Church, MPC, the Church's highest governing body, this week confirmed that religious rites performed by ousted priests in Australia who are accused of secessionism are not valid.

However, in a move to calm anxious believers, it has said physical reburials need not occur.

"Nobody has said that the deceased need to be dug up. Don't manipulate such expressions," Bishop Petar, who is in charge of the Australian diocese of the MPC, said.

"We said that new funeral services should be performed. Such services are being performed without the need of actual reburial," Petar told reporters in Skopje.

The Church's move was greeted on social networks with reactions varying from ridicule to utter disbelief.

One prominent representative of the Macedonian diaspora in Australia, Ico Najdovski, remarked that they would have to "get bulldozers ready to dig up dead people in Australia."

Other believers ironically asked Stefan on social networks whether they would have to re-marry their partners.

The letter that caused all this debate, which the MPC previously sent to believers in Australia, contained an order for believers to either repeat the burial services, marriage ceremonies and baptisms within 12 months, using legitimate priests free of charge, or pay the full price afterwards.

The letter signed by head of the Church, Archbishop Stefan, offended many Macedonians in Australia, as it called them "so-called believers".

The MPC has justified the letter as a chance for Orthodox Macedonians in Australia to repent and return to the true flock.

The row reflects a rift between the MPC and some Macedonian Australian church communities that centres on control of property.

While the MPC insists that it should manage the property of Australian church communities, the rebel parishes say the MPC can perform rites there but cannot actually own property that has been built by Macedonians living there.

Unlike the Catholic Church, the global Orthodox community has no central ruling figure. It is composed of numerous self-governing ecclesiastical bodies, such as the Macedonian Orthodox Church, each geographically and nationally distinct but theologically unified.

Repent!
Or burn in hell.
Or just pay for the services later and you will be fine.


So it seems Orthodoxy is the same as Catholicism, we can pay for the safety of our souls later.

You wouldn't get away with it without the "mystery" of faith.

[makedonche]

Bunch of moneygrabbing fucks!

[Niko777]

Is this policy directed to all Macedonian-Australian churches not under the jurisdiction of the Petar?

I still don't fully understand this dispute, but the first question that always comes to mind is how can one Bishop be put in charge of two dioceses (Bitola and Australia)? For example the Macedonian dioceses of North America and Europe each have their own bishops.

[Risto the Great]

Bunch of moneygrabbing fucks!

It isn't really the question of money if funds are community focused. For me it is the notion that all can be fixed if rites are re-performed and noted in some quasi UDBA database in the MPC Ohridsko Archbishopric. Why aren't the real christians violently opposing this line of bullshit? What does faith have to do with a database?

[Risto the Great]

Actually, we know the funds are not community focused. So money is also an issue (naturally).

[Philosopher]

So it seems Orthodoxy is the same as Catholicism, we can pay for the safety of our souls later.

You wouldn't get away with it without the "mystery" of faith. It isn't really the question of money if funds are community focused. For me it is the notion that all can be fixed if rites are re-performed and noted in some quasi UDBA database in the MPC Ohridsko Archbishopric. Why aren't the real christians violently opposing this line of bullshit? What does faith have to do with a database?

While we have our differences Risto, put in a less crude form, you make a number of points. The so-called church--East and West-- have essentially taken a very simple and uncomplicated religion and have systematized it into what it is today. It is a shame really.

I can't find a place in the New Testament that teaches baptism must be performed by an elected or appointed leader; nor do I see the argument made in the New Testament that a baptism ceases to be valid if the person performed it was later accused of secessionism.

This is a so-called church dispute, well-outside the historical boundary of the New Testament.

[Tomche Makedonche]

Why aren't the real christians violently opposing this line of bullshit? What does faith have to do with a database?

Perhaps it’s because some Christian forum members have gotten the impression from other forum members that this forum should (in the bests interests of the cause) be secular in nature… but I guess I could have gotten my wires crossed on that one, or there is the possibility that I don’t know what secular means.

I find the assertions and mitigating proposals by the MPC noted in the article to be ridiculous by the way, so my sentiments are in line with yours in this regard.