Macedonian Church Dispute in Australia

[makedonche]

ZAS, What about Bishop Petar and Ljubco?



http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=ma...d=127725938744

Prolet,
Thanks for the photo! although it gives a realistic view it's probably going off track a little. Tell me your thoughts on repairing the damage and unifying our people, not just in adelaide, but all over.

[Daniel]

There has been a school teaching Macedonian at the community for many years and classes were run for most age groups at different times and I believe are still being offered( correct me if I'm wrong).

Unfortunately, in the previous year, there were no classes taught due to the fact that the teacher could no longer find time, considering the establishment of MCESS.

However, as of this year, there is a chance that the school may become operational again if the person designated to become tutor finds time amongst his busy schedule.

[Mikail]

It'll be good if your Macedonian Teacher can find time to reach the Macedonian kids in Adelaide.

Is this guy for real?

[Daniel]

It'll be good if your Macedonian Teacher can find time to reach the Macedonian kids in Adelaide.

Is this guy for real?

To be honest with you, i used to think the same thing as you (luckily he waited till my year finished year 12), yet i understand where he is coming from now. There aren't a lot of people in the community here that are able to help in such fields, so it was all up to him. Although as mentioned, this tutor might be able to take over the actual contact time, whilst the teacher does the program.

[makedonche]

ZAS
Are you going to answer any of the questions asked of you? Or is it just hit and run tactics you want to play? The thread was started to encourage people to open up about theit thoughts on disunity, what's causing it and how we fix it, surely you have a view on all of this?

[makedonche]

To be honest with you, i used to think the same thing as you (luckily he waited till my year finished year 12), yet i understand where he is coming from now. There aren't a lot of people in the community here that are able to help in such fields, so it was all up to him. Although as mentioned, this tutor might be able to take over the actual contact time, whilst the teacher does the program.

Daniel
Your'e right he doesn't have enough time, we do need more volunteers of all types. This gets back to the main issue here and that is, trying to unify our people, so how do we do it?

[Stojacanec]

Daniel
Your'e right he doesn't have enough time, we do need more volunteers of all types. This gets back to the main issue here and that is, trying to unify our people, so how do we do it?

It shouldn't be up to one person. There is only 24 hours in the day (including sleep). I know there are young macedonians that have had extensive schooling in MKD that have come to Adelaide.

Some of them are on the MCESS board (not mentioning any names).

They would make great candidates for the schooling.

Also, dancing is now being held at 5pm on Sundays. It is the opportune time to gather young kids for a 45 min session before it starts.

Hell I'm even willing to pay someone for their time. It will go a long way. 10 parents put in $5 dollars per week. A young teacher would be happy with 50 bucks in his/her pocket. It cost me more for my first beer when I get there.

Greek teachers organised around public and private schools don't teach for nothing. They give out propaganda for nothing...don't confuse the two !

So in general there is a service needed out there for our young and upcoming macedonians. I'd rather pay now than wait for something to come along someday.

[makedonche]

It shouldn't be up to one person. There is only 24 hours in the day (including sleep). I know there are young macedonians that have had extensive schooling in MKD that have come to Adelaide.

Some of them are on the MCESS board (not mentioning any names).

They would make great candidates for the schooling.

Also, dancing is now being held at 5pm on Sundays. It is the opportune time to gather young kids for a 45 min session before it starts.

Hell I'm even willing to pay someone for their time. It will go a long way. 10 parents put in $5 dollars per week. A young teacher would be happy with 50 bucks in his/her pocket. It cost me more for my first beer when I get there.

Greek teachers organised around public and private schools don't teach for nothing. They give out propaganda for nothing...don't confuse the two !

So in general there is a service needed out there for our young and upcoming macedonians. I'd rather pay now than wait for something to come along someday.

Stojacenec
Well said and more importantly good assesment of the problem and excellent provision of a solution! This is the type of feedback, suggestions and solution finding we need more of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Prolet]

MPC delegation visits SDSM

Here is the video footage, Poglavar Stefan even gets a present from Branko Crevenkovski.

http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/vladici-i-poglavarot-na-sredba-kaj-%E2%80%9Epapata-crvenkovski%E2%80%9C

[Prolet]

Here we go Mikail, fire away mate.

We can discuss MPC in many ways here.

[Pavel]

prolet do you think bishop petar is doing a good job?? do you think it is right for him to be the owner of the community properties?? please tell us.

[Mikail]

Spolaj Ti prolet

[Prolet]

Mikail, What can you tell me about Poglavar Stefan making a Radikalna Rokada with the 50 Sveshteniks?

Pavel, im not very impressed to see the whole MPC delegation including Bishop Petar going in with Branko Crvenkovski and the rest of the Komunjars. Maybe its because MPC finally has to pay taxes like everybody else?? They are there to Serve the people and like Vangelovski said bring the good news, if they want to charge like businesses then they should be paying taxes like everyone else.

Why hasnt Poglavar Stefan given any money towards the Bigorski Manastir? We've all given funds, i was in Stari Kraj when it burned down and i gave a 1000 denars donation. To hear that MPC hasnt given 1 denar towards the rebuilding of the Manastir, it doesnt sit too well with me.

[Mikail]

Beside the fact the reporter wants to break the world record for speed talking, the Crvenkopoulos / Stefan meeting I think was nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Church = business and the church taketh with one hand an' teketh with the other

By the way. Nice to read you're with TEAM MACEDONIA

[julie]

Mikail, spot on. church is equlal to business to money

Maybe this is what Petar's flock need to see, it lining their pockets personally, this is not faith , it is about MONEY.
Money is not my god, nor materialism, my faith has nothing to do with bricks and mortar
And why havent they rebuilt the monastery? how rude
A REAL bishop and priest gathers his flock in unity as Jesus preached.
Not DIVIDING the people, he is not a believer of Jesus Christ's teachings.
I will NOT bow down to the thievery and the brainwashing and dividing our people.
The Macedonian Cause is not about that, the churches were built here by the people, so that they can maintain their culture in freedom

Its amazing how the Dalai Llama does not have material wealth, I am in awe of his Holiness, he embraces all faiths, does not bag anyone and speaks with love and kindness, if he can walk around with the robes on his back as his sole possessions, why in the name of the good Lord does a bishop SUE his flock to put titles in HIS personal name, further dividing our Macedonian brothers and sisters.
i miss the lovely priest we had and his beautiful wife and family. He felt obligated to listen to his Bishop's so called wisdom
I miss the people that no longer come to the functions , that is not MACEDONIAN UNITY>

They will wake up to it all.

And BLOODY OATH he should pay taxes, that is not his money but the people's money he sued here trying to make a life for themselves.

I am disgusted , and to be perfectly frank, I dont give a toss about the curses he throws on his "non believers"
non beleiver - someone who does not make me rich will burn in hell he says, well, KARMA is a mighty big thing