Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC)

[AMHRC]

MHR Review#18 just released

MHR Review # 18

Just released and free to download here: http://www.macedonianhr.org.au/wip/i...ccat&Itemid=50

Inside this issue:

*The Good Neighbor – George Vlahov

*Venizelos’s Adventures – Dr. Chris Popov

*Early Elections in Macedonia – Dr. Vasko Nastevski

*Identity Politics – Tom Vangelovski

*Join the Macedonian Bone Marrow Drive

*Vinozhito & Elections – Dimitri Jovanov

*Greek Humanist Harassed by Racist – EHF

*OMO at the EFA Conference – Alexander Spassov

*The Poetry of Kocho Ratsin – Dr. Michael Seraphinoff

*An Interview with Simon Damevski – John Tsiglev

*Ottoman Macedonia & Greek Nationalism – Dr. Dimitar Vamvakovski

*Mladi Bilbili and Vinozhito on Tour in Australia

[VMRO]

AMHRC, any word on the book that was going to be printed?

[AMHRC]

AMHRC, any word on the book that was going to be printed?

Not yet, all we can say is that it should be this year some time and that we will make an announcement, once it has been published.

[George S.]

are we there yet?With the publishing of the book?

[AMHRC]

MHR Review #19 - just released

MHR Review #19

Download Link: http://www.macedonianhr.org.au/wip/i...ccat&Itemid=50

Contents:

*Nova Zora’s 4th Birthday Party – George Vlahov
*An Interview with Dimitri Jovanov – David Vitkov
*News in Brief – Mitch Belichovski
*Funding for Macedonian Language Classes in Albania
*MHRMI Condemns Harassment of Dimitras
*To Reuters – Dr. Chris Popov
*To New International – Dr. Chris Popov
*Macedonians in Bulgaria – Dr. Stojko Stojkov
*The Macedonian Elections – Dr. Chris Popov
*A Perfidious Plan – Dr. Dimitri Ljorovski Vamvakovski
*Proposed Changes to the RDA – Dr. Chris Popov
*The Works of Slavko Janevski – Dr. Michael Seraphinoff
*An Interview with Alex Marcou – John Tsiglev

[Sweet Sixteen]

It needs to be mentioned here that the representative in Greece, of the United Macedonian Diaspora organization, publicly called on Macedonians not to vote for Vinozhito, but rather to vote for the Turkish party….can you believe it??? The Greek authorities should give her/them an award.

!!! Did Vodenka really do that? It's hard to believe.

And why would we give her an award? She's consistently anti-Greek and the Muslim-Turkish party is much bigger.

4. The Turkish party gained more than 40,000 votes in its first election. Vinozhito has been around for 20 years, why can’t it achieve a similar result?

Because there are 40,000 Turks?

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[Bill77]

George s.

Just curious.......how did you get on the subject of UMD?
They aren't mentioned anywhere in the two posts.

But nonetheless feel free to lay boots into them mate. Samo mavaj brat

[AMHRC]

!!! Did Vodenka really do that? It's hard to believe.

And why would we give her an award? She's consistently anti-Greek and the Muslim-Turkish party is much bigger.



Because there are 40,000 Turks?

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What an ignorant clown like yourself should note, is that a political election is not a census and Vodenka's actions demonstrate that quite clearly.

[Phoenix]

Nice work again AMHRC, looking forward to going through the latest edition and it's variety of subject matter...always an informative read.

As for Schutzstaffel, our resident little plate smashing love child of Himmler, no manner of information will get through that dickheads skull...

[AMHRC]

Nice work again AMHRC, looking forward to going through the latest edition and it's variety of subject matter...always an informative read.

As for Schutzstaffel, our resident little plate smashing love child of Himmler, no manner of information will get through that dickheads skull...

Spolaj ti Phoenix, yes I think you're right. Hey at some point later this year the AMHRC is going to celebrate its 30th birthday (1984-2014) - when the time comes, see if you can make the long trek....

[Phoenix]

Spolaj ti Phoenix, yes I think you're right. Hey at some point later this year the AMHRC is going to celebrate its 30th birthday (1984-2014) - when the time comes, see if you can make the long trek....

Sounds great AMHRC...wow, 30 years!!!

It's a classic example of how much good and hope can come out of such a disgusting and deplorable situation.

[Sweet Sixteen]

What an ignorant clown like yourself should note, is that a political election is not a census and Vodenka's actions demonstrate that quite clearly.

Yes, and a census is not a political declaration either. Vodenka (a former member of Rainbow) has been fanatically against them ever since. This is... natural and happens to every political party. She has been active in several parties that are somehow compatible with her ideas, including the Soros-funded Liberal Alliance (a type of anarcho-capitalist party).

Technically speaking, Macedonians could not vote for the Muslim/Turkish party, because this party decided to have ballots only in Thrace and Dodekanisa (South-East Agean Islands). That was an interesting and bizarre choice that hasn't been analysed properly.

Their results were:
Xanthe 26% (first party)
Rodope 42% (first party)
Evros 1,5%
Dodekanisa 0,02%

[AMHRC]

Yes, and a census is not a political declaration either. Vodenka (a former member of Rainbow) has been fanatically against them ever since.

You really don't know what you are talking about and like many bigots, you can't handle it when someone demonstrates your intellectual shortcomings.

You were the one who implied that an election and a census are equivalent (and it's not the first time you have done it on this forum) and I was the one who had to point out to you that they are not the same. Get that through your bigoted head, of course if 'a' is not 'b' then 'b' is not 'a' either.

In a census where people are free to register their ethnic identity, which is not always the same as one's national citizenship status, Vodenka (and other Macedonians like her) who did not vote for Vinozhito, would, along with most of the members of Vinozhito, declare their ethnic identity to be Macedonian.



And that is why, counting the number of people who voted for Vinozhito does not give the true amount of people who consider themselves to have an ethnic Macedonian identity in Greece.

[Sweet Sixteen]

!!! Did Vodenka really do that? It's hard to believe.

So, it IS true!

http://belomorskamacedonia.blogspot.gr/2014/05/2014_7.html

Here's a Google translation.

INDIGENOUS MOVEMENT MACEDONIANS Federalists

Macedonians Makedonises,

We are a few days before two very important to us elections: local and municipal elections. The local elections are very important for the people because democracy can not be imposed from the top of the pyramid is built from the base. It is around the market that organized the republics of the cities of ancient Greece. At the end of the Middle Ages, it is about communities, city-states or cantons, which developed the first versions of new democracies. Democracy can only be the government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Having in mind the failed Greek political system that too often equated with a financial oligarchy, we believe that the concentration of power inevitably leads to abuse. In Greece, at all levels, the control of the executive branch of the opposition and citizens is insufficient. We believe that local government should serve the best interests of local communities and help residents to take responsibility for what happens in cities and villages.

But it is regrettable that the local government is essentially a central government department to implement central Athens dictations (public sector cuts, privatization of public services, unsustainable planning policies, etc) on our people.

In the upcoming municipal elections citizens must take responsibility to elect those candidates for local government that do not follow party and corporatist interests, but who wish to fight to impose central authority in the best interests of their country and its citizens of. They will be open to the problems faced by citizens and will try to find the best for them solution, always under the collective interest and not the individual.

Moreover, as far as we indigenous Macedonians, should these elections to elect the municipal councils of the areas our candidates those who will protect the unique identity of the indigenous Macedonians, language and traditions. Those who will have an important role in many campaigns, including those for labeling in Macedonian language, and the right to indigenous Macedonians are protected by the Framework Convention on National Communities and the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Consultants who will support the strengthening of the use of the Macedonian language (Makedonski) and all aspects of the Macedonian culture and heritage of our people.
In elections for the District also native Macedonians should vote for the indigenous Macedonians candidates who are determined to help in the fight for the recognition of the linguistic and cultural rights. That will underpin all our efforts in this direction. There are several candidates in the area of the left who believe that they are willing to help in this direction.

Even more important for us indigenous Macedonians are the elections for the European Parliament.
Since 2015 the European parliament will have a much more important role in the legislative process so it is very important who will represent us in it. Unfortunately, as indigenous Macedonians, like many other regional nations within the nation states of the EU do not have adequate representation because MEPs are elected by the Member States and not from these regions (except maybe a few exceptions). Therefore, it is very difficult to have direct representation.

This, however, is no reason not to try to have a voice that can be heard up to Brussels. As Macedonians, we have no reason to support them with our vote the Greek parties elect MEPs, because 100% of these parties do not even recognize us as a linguistic community, let alone as a national!

Strains of Rainbow, the party of the ethnic Macedonians, declare that the party eventually participate in these elections. Some Macedonians will vote. There are thousands of indigenous Macedonians who are very bitter at the leadership of this party who remembers every five years and requires the vote, while, in fact, has not offered anything to Macedonian community, despite some moves to impress not changed, however, the situation for the better.

Because abstinence from these elections is the worst option for us and because the party Gender, Peace and Friendship (KIEF / DEB) of the Turkish Muslim minority of Western Thrace participates for the first time since its foundation, the next elections, the native Macedonians have the option to support this party which has been struggling for some years, with considerable success at political level. Because the problems we face as Macedonians in Greece is almost the same as that faced by our fellow Turks of Western Thrace, and because we believe that we need to combine our voice with theirs to finally listen to us all, we suggest these elections to vote all indigenous Macedonians party KIEF / DEB, which has made and request to join the group of EFA / EFA where, as you know, the Rainbow is a member.

LET EUROPE AND WORLD PUBLIC OPINION HEAR THE PROBLEMS AND THE VOICE OF OURS FOR EQUALITY FOR THE FRIENDSHIP FOR PEACE

Voting KIEF / DEB IN THE 2014 ELECTION ...

Let us not forget that we are stronger when we are all together as one voice! ...

[Sweet Sixteen]

Eventually the Turkish Party took 9 votes in the district of Pella.