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  • Bratot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    The Action Alert via Macedonian Spark as well:

    The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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    • AMHRC
      De-registered
      • Sep 2009
      • 919

      Thanks Brate!

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      • Bratot
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2855

        Originally posted by AMHRC View Post
        Thanks Brate!

        Something to add and to serve as example for the protest letter that every Macedonian is obligated to sent on the given adress: http://unterm.un.org/dgaacs/unterm.nsf/Comment?OpenForm

        On UN's discrimination against Macedonia and Macedonians

        Dear Sir or Madam,

        It is truly shameful, as much as it is illegal, for the UN to remove the name "Macedonian" from the designation of language spoken in Macedonia (and by Macedoniаns).

        For two decades already, the UN is assisting Greek interests in breaking the basic International Laws, the basic Human Rights resolutions and commit unjustice towards Macedonia.
        The principles of sovereign equality of states and the inviolability of their juridical personality, lead to the conclusion that the choice by a state of its own name is a basic, inherent right of the state. This right is not alienable, divisible or transferable, and is a part of the right to 'self-determination' (determination of one's own legal identity), i.e. it belongs to the domain of jus cogens norms. External interference with this basic right is inadmissible.
        Interference with matters that are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of a state, such as the choice of state's name, is also incompatible with the UN Charter, therefore, neither the Greek opposition to Macedonia’s name in UN, nor the intervention of the UN in the matters related to the name of the country, are consistent with the Charter.

        The UN denies Macedonia the fundamental right to self-determination, which is the pillar of the international order. Macedonia satisfied all four conditions to be admitted in the UN, but two additional ones were added contrary to the accepted interpretation of Article 4(1) of the Charter. Thus Macedonia was admitted in the UN not under its name but a "provisional reference" i.e. derogated legal personality and imposed obligation to negotiate with a neighboring state about its own name.
        These additional conditions quite differ from the conditions laid down in Article 4(1) of the Charter: they need to be fulfilled not before the admission, but after it.

        According to the ICJ advisory opinion of 1948 23, no "political considerations" can be superimposed on, or added to, the conditions set forth in Article 4(1) that could prevent admission to membership.
        Furthermore, forcing a state to use imposed derogated legal personality within the UN system and its relations with other international subjects is in violation with the right of states to non-discrimination in their representation in the organization of universal character, expressed in an unambiguous way in Article 83 of the Vienna Convention on representation of states.

        In fact, the dispute over the name appears to be not between Macedonia and Greece, but rather, in an implicit form, between Macedonia and the UN.In this dispute Macedonia is defending its right to self-determination of its own legal identity.

        The Republic of Macedonia was the FIRST STATE (legal subject) to make use of the name MACEDONIA when proclaiming it's independent republic in 1944 as People's Republic of Macedonia and with international rights, rightly defined by “Qui prior est tempore, potior est jure” - applies.
        This means that the first in time prevails over the others.

        Furthermore, Greek authorities commit themselves to respect the name Macedonia twice, first time in 1977 and the second time in 1982, on the Conference of the United Nations.

        On the Third Conference of the UN for classification of geographical names, which was held in Athens in 1977, Greece adopted the resolution of the Conference, without any reserves. According to this resolution systems that are accepted in the Annex to this resolution to be adopted as international systems for transcription of the Latin, Serbo-Croatian and Macedonian geographical names in Yugoslavia.

        In 1982, in Geneva, Greece recognized the name of Macedonia. Under the Agreement with attached documents and maps as material evidence. For its part, Greece has offered maps of their territory that no single region or one area of today's Greek state bears the name of Macedonia. The documents were adopted without a vote, by acclamation, on 31 August 1982.

        The first resolution in 1977 was registered under number E/CONF.69/C.IV/L.4 on page 35.

        The resolution of 1982 is recorded in the United Nations under the number E/CONF.74/L.107 as part of the conclusions of the Conference for classification of geographical names.

        1982 E / CONF 74/L.110 on page 23 is the number which is registered under the UN resolution that Greece agrees to the use of the Macedonian alphabet and Macedonian geographical names.

        Resolution of UN 1977: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/N0244983.pdf
        Resolution of UN 1982: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/N0244990.pdf

        It is about time you dump Greece's racism and pretense of objectivity in face of injustice. Bring back Macedonia's name and give peace a chance.

        Sincerely,
        Macedonian Spark [YOUR NAME]

        The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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        • Bratot
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2855

          We can collect the confirmation of our sent letters:

          The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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          • Homer MakeDonski
            Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 103

            I have done my bit as well


            Last edited by Homer MakeDonski; 11-15-2010, 02:14 PM.

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            • UMDiaspora.org
              Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 525

              Unfortunately, the correction is inaccurate. To our knowledge, there is no such thing as a language called "Macedonian (of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia)."

              Last edited by UMDiaspora.org; 11-15-2010, 03:37 PM.
              For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

              United Macedonian Diaspora
              http://www.umdiaspora.org

              1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
              Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

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              Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

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              Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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              • makalek
                Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 128

                Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                Unfortunately, the correction is inaccurate. To our knowledge, there is no such thing as a language called "Macedonian (of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonian)."

                http://unterm.un.org/dgaacs/unterm.n...B?OpenDocument
                This is unacceptable. They list our language as Macedonian (of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia). Are you kidding me? And they are supposed to be neutral in name negotiations? Da ti ebem UN. It's time to end the talks.

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                • Bratot
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2855

                  This is clear confirmation of the problem that UN has with Macedonia and Macedonians.
                  The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                  • Bratot
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2855





                    Look at this example:

                    On 18 November 2009 the Permanent Mission of Montenegro to the United Nations reminded the Protocol and Liaison Service that the Parliament of Montenegro adopted on 19 October 2007 a new Constitution stipulating that the official name of the country is "Montenegro" and not "Republic of Montenegro".

                    Both the short and formal name of this Member State is "Montenegro".

                    Memo of the Chief of Protocol, 18 November 2009



                    and



                    Adjective/Nationality: Montenegrin

                    Languages: none
                    The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                    • Homer MakeDonski
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 103

                      Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                      Unfortunately, the correction is inaccurate. To our knowledge, there is no such thing as a language called "Macedonian (of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia)."

                      http://unterm.un.org/dgaacs/unterm.n...B?OpenDocument
                      Could you find out who's in charge for this up to date messing up?
                      A person involved by his name and sure name .
                      Tnx
                      Last edited by Homer MakeDonski; 11-15-2010, 04:57 PM.

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                      • Makedonska_Kafana
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 2642

                        Racism and hatred began in Athens and has spread to the UN, NATO and EU.

                        F THEM ALL TWICE DRY!
                        http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                        Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                        • Bratot
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2855

                          Dear sir or madam:

                          Your web page does not contain information about the nationality and language concerning the Republic of Macedonia.

                          The correct information which was present on the website up to Friday, November 12th -- but is now erased -- is as follows:

                          1. Macedonian (EN)
                          2. Macédonien (FR)
                          3. macedonio (ES)
                          4. македонский (RU)
                          5. 馬其頓共和國 (CH)
                          6. المقدونية (AR).



                          Macedonia was registered in the UN under the ISO Country code: MKD. That code was recently changed on your website as well.

                          To my knowledge, the changes happened without any formal decision of the UN Security Council.

                          If this is not a technical mistake or an omission on your part, it represents serious breach of international law.

                          As Macedonian, I ask that you immediately restore the name and adjective of our nationality and language as "Macedonian", as well as my country's code as "MKD".

                          There is no room for racism in the UN or for "genocide by administrative means", especially not on somebody else's bidding. Macedonians endured an actual genocide by physical repression and military means in the past two centuries, and potential Greek racist shenanigans by abusing the UN are completely unacceptable.

                          If you ignore this request, we, Macedonians from throughout the world, will pursue the matter in all relevant courts, including the court of public opinion, until our fundamental right to self-identification and self-determination is satisfied.

                          Just like all the other nations in the world, Macedonians deserve to be treated as equal under international law and with dignity and rights, without exceptions.

                          Let me remind you of the Article 2 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, which stipulates that people are entitled to all rights and freedoms of this without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

                          Furthermore, Article 15 of the said Declaration states unequivocally that "Everyone has the right to a nationality." This right includes all prerogatives of a sovereign nation, including the right to determine and freely choose its symbols of identity, including the name of the nationality, the language and the culture.

                          Thank you for your time and consideration and I hope you will do the right thing. Say Macedonia - and give peace a chance.

                          Sincerely,

                          [YOUR NAME]

                          Macedonian Spark

                          We call on every Macedonian and the true friends of Macedonia to sent this letter of protest against the UN's discrimination on Macedonia and Macedonians, signed with your name on the following adress:






                          The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                          • Frank
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 687

                            Last week we had the affair of the "State Language" and now this

                            More then just a coincidence

                            The Macedonian Language is a linguistically, scientific and fluid Language there is no doubt about it or additive to stain it

                            If the UN are playing this card and it can be proved a Hellarse villain is coaxing in the background Macedonia must declare all talk feast null and void

                            NOT that this UN positioning is the reason to move on

                            This is why and Name change means the gradual continuation to Language, Culture and Identity being part of the picture.

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                            • Bratot
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2855

                              I have been informed that in meantime they updated the website onceagain and have corrected the name of the language.

                              However, they continue with ommitting our nationality!
                              The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                              • Frank
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 687

                                Yes use the Word "genocide" it is a loaded and descriptive word that has powerful meaning

                                Post maps of our Divided Homeland too

                                Be well spoken but not diplomatic about this

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