The Macedonian Minority in Albania and Kosovo

[makedonche]

"Macedonians" in Albania? It's clear as day you Macedonians are using these people to undermine the rights of Albanians in Macedonia. Fact is the majority of Orthodox Macedonian do not care for these Slavic Muslims.

Albania will eventually have the visa lifted as well. Don't worry, Albanians have no desire to live in Macedonia.

Uskana
Welcome to the MTO firstly!
I don't understand this comment:
"It's clear as day you Macedonians are using these people to undermine the rights of Albanians in Macedonia."
Could you please explain how this is so?

[Prolet]

Don't worry, Albanians have no desire to live in Macedonia.

Sounds good to me

[Uskana]

"Macedonians" in Albania? It's clear as day you Macedonians are using these people to undermine the rights of Albanians in Macedonia. Fact is the majority of Orthodox Macedonian do not care for these Slavic Muslims.

Albania will eventually have the visa lifted as well. Don't worry, Albanians have no desire to live in Macedonia.

[Pelister]

Special thanks to TM for this information, i found footage on Kanal 5 below so people can see the footage.

Bozidar Dimitrov is proving again how baseless his accusations are, i dont think anybody in the Bulgarian Embassy in Tirana would like a Macedonian Passport anyway.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118223

Diaspora Minister: Macedonia Assimilates Bulgarian-Albanians
Diplomacy | July 17, 2010, Saturday

The Minister without Portfolio for Bulgarians Abroad, Bozhidar Dimitrov, is convinced Skopje is leading a pro-Macedonian propaganda in Albanian regions populated with ethnic Bulgarians.

According to Dimitrov, the monitoring of the 3 such Albanian regions – Golo Bardo, Mala Prespa and Gora, shows Skopje is making all efforts to quickly grant Macedonian citizenship to about 100 000 ethnic Bulgarians living there.

“Unlike Bulgaria, which makes people wait for citizenship for 3 to 4 years, the Macedonians are granting passports in just 2 months and charge EUR 50. There will be a census of the Albanian population next year and Skopje is hoping to prove a large Macedonian minority presence,” Dimitrov says.

The number of Albanians wishing to obtain Macedonian citizenship is skyrocketing after the EU lifted the visa regime for Macedonians, according to the Minister.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.asp...&eventId=62864

I don't know what good will come of this. I hope that the Macedonian government will hand out 100,000 passports to Macedonians in Albania. But the high number of Albanians wanting to enter Macedonia is not a good thing.

[Bratot]

Not quite, I have a better idea, lets re-Makedonise the Grkomans with offering to them some economic package to go with the passports since Greece's situation is going to be only worse.

Lets also give Macedonian passport to those 6 milions Turks with Macedonian origin..

to be continued..

[Big Bad Sven]

Great news, the bulgarian slavs are getting a taste of their own medicine.

We should be handing out macedonian passports in modern day bulgaria and get all applicants there to declare that they are macedonians

[Bratot]

I think he seek reciprocity

[Soldier of Macedon]

Unlike Bulgaria, which makes people wait for citizenship for 3 to 4 years, the Macedonians are granting passports in just 2 months and charge EUR 50.

Who cares what Bulgaria does, Macedonia is giving citizenship to Macedonians outside of the republic, quite simple. I seriously don't know how the Bulgarians are not ashamed of themselves when they see this blatant propaganda (that nobody believes) on their media.

[Prolet]

Macedonian Government Handing out Passports to so caled Bulgarian Citizens in Albania

Special thanks to TM for this information, i found footage on Kanal 5 below so people can see the footage.

Bozidar Dimitrov is proving again how baseless his accusations are, i dont think anybody in the Bulgarian Embassy in Tirana would like a Macedonian Passport anyway.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118223

Diaspora Minister: Macedonia Assimilates Bulgarian-Albanians
Diplomacy | July 17, 2010, Saturday

The Minister without Portfolio for Bulgarians Abroad, Bozhidar Dimitrov, is convinced Skopje is leading a pro-Macedonian propaganda in Albanian regions populated with ethnic Bulgarians.

According to Dimitrov, the monitoring of the 3 such Albanian regions – Golo Bardo, Mala Prespa and Gora, shows Skopje is making all efforts to quickly grant Macedonian citizenship to about 100 000 ethnic Bulgarians living there.

“Unlike Bulgaria, which makes people wait for citizenship for 3 to 4 years, the Macedonians are granting passports in just 2 months and charge EUR 50. There will be a census of the Albanian population next year and Skopje is hoping to prove a large Macedonian minority presence,” Dimitrov says.

The number of Albanians wishing to obtain Macedonian citizenship is skyrocketing after the EU lifted the visa regime for Macedonians, according to the Minister.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=62864

[Pelister]

In Prizren (Kosovo) the UN records show about 50,000 people who identified themselves as Torbeshi. This is interesting because 'Torbesh' is a Macedonian designation. As far as I am aware the Gorani call themselves 'Gorani' but believe they are Macedonians.

[VMRO]

I read somewhere where some Gorani claim to be Macedonians who originated from Resen where their ancestors left in the 18th/19th century.

[Soldier of Macedon]

SoM you're making prejudices now...because no Goran has ever identify himself as a Macedonian.......I met many of them but they called themselves Torbesh and not Macedonian.

That is either a blatant lie, or you have failed to meet more than one or two 'Albanophile' Torbeshi, and read the earlier posts on this thread which disprove your false assertions.

Saying that 'ethnic Albanian extremists that go from place to place forcing people to declare as 'Albanians' is just a dirty speculation.

No it's not, I am sure there are articles out there about it, you can't tell me you haven't heard of this problem before.

...........................So, believe me, that nobody in Kosova is forced to became an Albanian.

Yeah,ok, I will believe you over everybody else. You've shown your bias Epirot, that's unfortunate.

'Supposed Asiatic heritage of Bulgarians'? Are you out of mind, SoM?

The modern Bulgarians in the Balkans are as Turkic as you are Illyrian. The real Bulgars of Asparukh, an Asiatic horde of 30,000 to 50,000, even at 100,000, left little in Thrace but their name. There were millions of people speaking a form of my language already there.

[Pelister]

Gora is a native term that literally means "high place"

Gora'ni "people of the high places"

[Bratot]

No doubt the words derived from gor refer to up upper or high but also can refer to woods or forest as in crna gora. Could the gorani people be simply referring to the wood forest people as any mountainous region has forests growing on it. it’s a strange word because words such as burn gori fuel gorilo. I could be way off but many words have this strange link. If I had to guess up upper and high would have been the first use as you can refer to things being up high without any reference to wood but the woods are in the mountains ie a high place and the mountains are covered with woods/forests and stuff you brink back from the mountains is fuel.

Odi gore na plaminata I zemi drva za gorilo da imame sto da gorime vecer. I think the reference of gora as woods is Serbian. The area gorani as previously posted by many seems to have a Serbian influence. Could the be referring the up high woodland/forest people.

What in your opinion is older and commonly use by the common people
1. Gora
2. Planina

hmm?

Gorani is equivalent to Gorale from the Karpathian mountains among Poland, Czech and Slovakia borders.

http://www.google.pl/images?hl=pl&q=gorale&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=xaMMTKqgDtKZOOy07BQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQsAQwAA

Gora (mkd) - Góra (pl)

And there is confirmed ethnolect similarity between the karpathian Gorale (Gorani) with Vlach speech from Balkans and I have to point out the Gorale is an ethnographic term but collective term for few ethnic groups that capture a mountaineous region.

You have Karpathians Gorals, you have Caucasian, Balkan etc.

The name GORANI is not an ethnic term but rather geographical term opposite to those people living in flat regions, poljaci - those who work on the fields, agrocultural preocupation.

We use the term Planinci also as synonym for the people coming from mountianeous region.

планинец m. hill man, mountaineer
гора f. forest, wood

P.S. "Gorski venec"

According to the lexicon the term Planina derives from Greek - Pianus/Planus meaning - flat wtf!

[Serdarot]

So, your claim that Albanians make oppression upon the non-Albanians is just speculation.

again la la land?

take less drugs, dude

the Albanians from Kosovo are doing all kinds of terror against non-Albanian population.

most of the Gipsies, Macedonians, Serbs and other non-shiptars were / are forced to leave their homes.

your stories you can tell to CNN and BBC, after you force your children cry with help of onion.

save your propaganda bs for those who are not informed, we know you TOO good