The Macedonian Minority in Albania and Kosovo

[slovenec zrinski]

A couple of Macedonian songs from Kosovo

Smaili Vebija- Mori Sevdo Sevdalijo - YouTube

Smaili Vebija- U NaÅ¡em Selu ÄŒeÅ¡ma Å*arena - YouTube

[slovenec zrinski]

I think he sings Вo нашем селу and not У Нашем селу as it says on the cover but I perhaps do not hear it alright?

[lavce pelagonski]

Smaili Vebija - Arifko Dejko Ubavo - YouTube

[lavce pelagonski]

Imet Alija - Ajde sunce zajde - YouTube

[Mastika]

Macedonian hasn't exactly been in a position to directly influence transitional dialects (at least not for a long time), thus it would make more sense that the Gora dialect - being Macedonian - has been influenced by Serbian. Either that or its similarities with Serbian are due to its position as a transitional dialect. If you look at the example of the Polog dialect (being closest to the Gora dialect) I cited earlier, Pejcinovik uses kj instead of č (бракя or brakja), a feature that is shared all the way to the southern dialects of Thrace (where they use a hard k).

What I meant to say by 'influences' was that most of the remaining features of the dialect share similarities with characteristics typical of many Macedonian dialects, and for these reasons it is classified as being Macedonian.

The modern language has however been heavily influence by Serbian, through schools, media and other means. It is imperative that Macedonian and not Serbian be taught to Gorani children in primary schools.

[Дени]

You can only put political borders on them, not lingual.

That's not entirely accurate.

There are isoglosses which demarcate Bulgarian, Macedonian and Serbian dialects within the continuum. In this case, the dialect spoken in Gora is transitional between the contiguous Macedonian and Serbian dialects on both sides. However, it is, for all intents and purposes, a Macedonian dialect, demonstrated by its reflexes of the Proto-Slavic reduced vowels. The Goranis' own ethnic consciousness is irrelevant in this respect.

To me, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Serbian, etc. do not exist as natural languages.

A certain dialect's attachment to a continuum does not disqualify its attachment to a broader dialect group.

A natural language is the one which has no written standard, in other words, has no rules beyond the wish of its speaker/s. An artificial language is one which has set rules to which speakers must accommodate and not vice versa.

So you're saying that all of the literature published in Italian dialects consequently makes them unnatural?

One language = one people. Such effective propaganda. Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, all speak the same language, but if they each call it their own name, it sounds as if it belongs just to them, that they are more unique, and if they are unique plus flamed in anger against those which were portrait as different from them, the people become a tool in the hands of power seekers. And that is what happened in Yugoslavia.

It's actually the opposite. We were already a unified people, but we lacked an officially recognized standard language.

Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are separate languages because they are regulated independently of one another; the similarity lies in the fact that they are all standardized variants of the same spoken dialect.

[Soldier of Macedon]

There are isoglosses which demarcate Bulgarian, Macedonian and Serbian dialects within the continuum. In this case, the dialect spoken in Gora is transitional between the contiguous Macedonian and Serbian dialects on both sides. However, it is, for all intents and purposes, a Macedonian dialect, demonstrated by its reflexes of the Proto-Slavic reduced vowels. The Goranis' own ethnic consciousness is irrelevant in this respect.

Could the Thracian dialects be considered a dialect group of their own which are seperate from both Macedonian and Bulgarian, or are there enough features to classify them with one or the other? You can answer on the thread below if you wish:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5733&highlight=thracian+slavic+continuum

[Niko777]

Avalanche in Kosovo Gorani Village kills 9

9 die in Kosovo avalanche; child pulled out alive

By FLORENT BAJRAMI, Associated Press – 4 hours ago
RESTELICA, Kosovo (AP) — Rescuers have pulled a 5-year-old girl alive from the rubble of a house flattened by a massive avalanche that killed both her parents and at least seven of her relatives in a remote mountain village in southern Kosovo.
Col. Shemsi Syla, a spokesman for the Kosovo Security Force, said Sunday officers discovered the girl when they heard her voice and cell phone. Her home was buried under 10 meters (33 feet) of snow.
Rescuers cheered and pumped their fists in the air late Saturday as the girl was pulled out alive. A video aired on Klan Kosova TV showed rescuers covering the girl with blankets, before she was rushed to hospital.
Osman Qerreti, an emergency official at the site, told The Associated Press that at least nine members of her family died when the avalanche in the village of Restelica near Kosovo's border with Macedonia and Albania destroyed seven houses, of which only two were inhabited.
Amid subfreezing temperatures Sunday, local villagers baring fierce snowstorms used shovels to dig deep into the snow-covered rubble — all that remained of the one-story brick houses. One more person is believed missing.
"No bigger tragedy has ever struck this region," said local district official Behar Ramadani. "Two brothers with their wives and children have been killed."
The girl, identified as Asmira Reka, was recovering in hospital in the nearby town of Prizren. Doctors said her life was not in danger, but her parents had perished in the avalanche, and she had been buried for more than 10 hours.
NATO peacekeepers, deployed in Kosovo to end the armed conflict between Serbs and Kosovo Albanians in 1999, had been called in to help local authorities in the rescue, but they were unable to land their helicopter due to a fierce blizzard.
Rescuers initially dug out the bodies of a married couple and their 17-year-old son. Six more bodies were discovered during the excavation.
The cold snap in Europe, which began late January, has killed hundreds of people — most of them homeless. Heavy snow has been blanketing the Balkans for more than two weeks, with Restelica and roads in the region blocked for several days.
In neighboring Montenegro, where the government introduced a state of emergency because of the deep freeze, special police forces on Sunday managed to reach about 50 train passengers stranded for two days after tracks were blocked by avalanches.
Police said a 55-year-old passenger had died from a heart attack Saturday night, while the others were sheltering in a nearby tunnel.
The airport in Podgorica remained closed Sunday and the streets were blocked by snow up to 57 centimeters (22 inches) high — the highest since measurements started in the capital in 1949.
Authorities have banned driving in the capital, while many parked cars were damaged after snow-covered trees fell on them.
Police in Bosnia said the roof of a sports center in downtown Sarajevo used for ice skating events in the 1984 Winter Olympics collapsed Sunday under the weight of snow. No injuries or fatalities have been reported.
In Serbia, the snow continued to fall Sunday as some 50,000 people remained stranded in snowbound remote areas, some without electricity. In Albania the government is expected to declare a state of emergency in the north and south of the country, said Prime Minister Sali Berisha.
Much of Italy's north-central east was digging out Sunday after heavy snowfall collapsed roofs onto barnyard animals, closed roads and wreaked havoc with air transport.
Twenty horses were killed when a roof collapsed in Badia Tedalda, one of the central Tuscan towns hardest hit by the snow, the ANSA news agency reported. In Le Marche, regional civil protection crews reported thousands of cows, pigs and other farm animals killed.
In Rome, the sun shone and whatever snow remained from Saturday's blizzard — the second in as many weeks — melted away. But Mayor Gianni Alemanno kept a ban in place on motorcycles in the city center, where some streets remained icy.
In Russia, 20,000 amateur and professional cross-country skiers in Yakhroma, some 50 kilometers (30 miles) from Moscow, were undeterred by temperatures of minus 23 degrees Celsius (minus 9 Fahrenheit. They raced for five kilometers (about three miles) as part of a mass skiing competition held every year.

[Niko777]

Apparently, Restelica is the largest Macedonian Gorani village in Kosovo.

[George S.]

in terms of kosovo niko do you know how many macedonias are there.?

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

in terms of kosovo niko do you know how many macedonias are there.?

There's 60,000+ Macedonians. But I think most of them are muslim. They wanted to move to Macedonia but they got denied.

[Valmir]

There's 60,000+ Macedonians. But I think most of them are muslim. They wanted to move to Macedonia but they got denied.

Ethnic groups (2008) 92% Albanians
8% Serbs, Bosniaks, Gorani, Roma, Turks, Ashkali and Balkan Egyptians[1]

Where do you found that 60k, and whats worse that they dont declare theirself as Macedonians but as Muslims. In their funerals you can't see Macedonian flag but only Saudi Arabian flags.

[Valmir]

Here are some images of Kosovo Security Forces from the place:




There is a video too,when the Soldiers found the girl alive in the house but i can't find it now.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Ethnic groups (2008) 92% Albanians
8% Serbs, Bosniaks, Gorani, Roma, Turks, Ashkali and Balkan Egyptians[1]

Where do you found that 60k, and whats worse that they dont declare theirself as Macedonians but as Muslims. In their funerals you can't see Macedonian flag but only Saudi Arabian flags.

Those statistics are nonsense. It was on the news about the Macedonians in Kosovo somewhere around 2006-08 and I read that 60,000 muslim Macedonians wanted to move to Macedonia because no one was giving them jobs in Kosovo. Macedonian government denied them to move to Macedonia, then bulgaria was offering them to move to bulgaria but they didn't want to.

I haven't heard anything new after that.

[Niko777]

Those statistics are nonsense. It was on the news about the Macedonians in Kosovo somewhere around 2006-08 and I read that 60,000 muslim Macedonians wanted to move to Macedonia because no one was giving them jobs in Kosovo. Macedonian government denied them to move to Macedonia, then bulgaria was offering them to move to bulgaria but they didn't want to.

I haven't heard anything new after that.

But if there were 100,000 Kosovar Albanians who wanted to move to Macedonia, the government will not only give them jobs but also schools, shelters, Albanian flags for the Albanian holiday...