Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

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  • Royal Hellas
    Banned
    • Sep 2008
    • 104

    SOM, the Macedonian question is still alive.
    Until that is solved, we have a situation here where the Chinese is saying he is Japanese.
    We have two sides to the story.
    Greece refutes yours, and you refute Greeces.
    Where to from here?

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15660

      Macedonia will lose everything if it compromises our identity.
      I do not think anything will happen in relation to our name.
      There will be a bi-lateral situation, but nothing else.
      Risto the Great
      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15660

        Originally posted by Royal Hellas View Post
        SOM, the Macedonian question is still alive.
        Until that is solved, we have a situation here where the Chinese is saying he is Japanese.
        We have two sides to the story.
        Greece refutes yours, and you refute Greeces.
        Where to from here?
        Greece refutes ours .... because it believes it has a connection with antiquity that the Macedonians apparently do not. Is this a valid argument? There is no other.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13675

          Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
          Macedonia will lose everything if it compromises our identity.
          I do not think anything will happen in relation to our name.
          There will be a bi-lateral situation, but nothing else.
          That seems the most likely outcome.

          Do you think recognition for our people in Greece will follow, and under what circumstances?
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15660

            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
            That seems the most likely outcome.

            Do you think recognition for our people in Greece will follow, and under what circumstances?
            Listen to the maggots ... solve the name issue, then the rights will follow in Greece. What a load of crap ... this will never ever happen. The only way it will happen in Greece is if Macedonians assert themselves. The Republic can help .... start off with a "dialect investigation" .... then encourage usage of Spolaj Ti etc. in RoM, then re-visit Konevski and make a song and dance about inclusion of Egej in the structure of our language (woohoo, 10 extra words) then encourage a celebration of the Macedonian identity circa 1920 when we were all the same. Do this with a government sponsored cultural centre. .... it goes on .....
            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • Royal Hellas
              Banned
              • Sep 2008
              • 104

              I think you are way off here Risto. There will be a change in name, and there will be recognition.

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15660

                There never was when Yugoslavia and the Socialist Republic of Macedonia was acceptable for the Greeks.
                Why would anything change now? Stop pretending, it is sickening.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Royal Hellas
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 104

                  It will change. The name will change.
                  When this happens, the "Slav Macedonian" minority will be formally recognised in Greece as such since their will be no more issues with regards to irredentism and the like.
                  Greece will be delighted to acknowledge and support its long established minority, as long as there is no ambiguity in their identification on the world stage.
                  The RoM will get the nod from Greece and will join the EU and Nato.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13675

                    Mate I think you're on the 'nod' given your commentry here. Greece will be the larger loser here, that you can be certain of, because we will never accept the proposals Greece has made.

                    It will be a bilateral issue and remain as such. Once we are in, then we will push with all our might to get the rights we deserve in Greece, and we will eventually win, for afterall, we are fighting in the name of self-determination and human rights, you are fighting in the name of supression and arrogance.

                    We don't need handouts of bread crumbs to live happily ever after, better to remain with our identity and dignity intact rather than sellout.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15660

                      Again, why have they not been acknowledged to date?
                      Didn't Macedonia happen with Tito ... no-one complained about Tito ... therefore there was no problem before 1990. Recognition was never on the table and still is not. Stop lying and suggesting it will be. We are talking about Greece ... the last bastion of the 19th century.
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • Royal Hellas
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 104

                        I acknowledge your position and understand what you are saying, but I still believe that the RoM will change the name. Period.
                        Everything else will then fall into order.
                        Don't hold me personally responsible for this situation. It is just the way I see things eventuating.

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                        • Royal Hellas
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 104

                          The reason as given before Risto, as to why no acknowledgement, is because the name issue has to be finalised first. Then and only then can Greece accurately define its minority.

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15660

                            What evidence do you have that suggests Greece will define its minority?
                            Doesn't that effectively admit that it has been duping the masses for 100 years now.
                            Why should the Macedonian minority of Greece be called the same name as the changed name of the Republic? For example, let us say in a Greek wet dream, Macedonia is changed to North Macedonia .... why would the Southern Macedonians be called North Macedonians? Are you thick or just toeing the "corporate line"?
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13675

                              That's a load of bull buddy, Greece had since 1949 to recognize the minority by any name it chose, and now all of a sudden they are waiting for the name issue to be sorted out.

                              Greece has no intention of recognizing anything, we on the other hand will not give anything anymore, let the chips fall where they may, the Macedonian people, language and national identity will live on forever, Greek politics will never change that fact.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • Coolski
                                Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 747

                                For Greece to recognise any ethnic Minority, it will need to re establish the very fabric of their nation. Has this process already been prepared? I don't think so. It seems to me that we have Karaman and Bakoyani as the last bastions of what will be known as 'the old greece' in the future.

                                If ethnic Macedonians are recognised in Greece, another broader reality will need to be recognised, and that is that Greece is a multiethnic country. It is a fundamental shift in Greece's policy and identity as it is defined today.

                                Anyone who is trying to tell me that Greece is ready to recognise the Macedonian identity under her status-quo of democratic defficiency, is either pulling my leg or trying to take me for a fool.
                                Last edited by Coolski; 09-24-2008, 08:22 AM.
                                - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
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