Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[makedonche]

Well said Makedonche.
But the thread is fine, there is a solution to the name dispute. As you put it, the solution is quite simply that there is indeed no name dispute for Macedonians.

Perhaps we should now talk about how we can advise the world that no dispute exists.

RTG
OK then, no problems, lets change the thread heading to "No name dispute exists - the world is being conned"

[Vangelovski]

Perhaps we should now talk about how we can advise the world that no dispute exists.

Declare the Interim Accord 'null and void' and move onto the next chapter.

[Stojacanec]

The only problem or dispute lies between the greeks ears. Much like the national debt problem in Greece they seem to convince themselves there is no debt problem (when there is) and a name dispute (when there isn't).

Rather than employing austerity measures to tackle the debt, they protest en masse like your taking something away that is righfully theirs.

The Greeks seem to master the art of deception and lies. They are only in denial and de-Nile is in Africa.

Actually since they are in the practice of naming countries after rivers the best fit for their new nation is:

The Hellenic Republic of De-Nile, or

Republic of De-Nile Greece.

Which one is is going to be for the modern Greeks ???

[Prolet]

It seems like the EU has snubbed Macedonia once more, Gruevski met with Papandreu and Foule then our country got snubbed.

Makedonche, One Austrian MEP had an interesting idea, we change our name once we join the EU if Greece blocks us then we dont change our name. This guy is extremely funny and cleaver i say.

[Vangelovski]

It seems like the EU has snubbed Macedonia once more, Gruevski met with Papandreu and Foule then our country got snubbed.

Makedonche, One Austrian MEP had an interesting idea, we change our name once we join the EU if Greece blocks us then we dont change our name. This guy is extremely funny and cleaver i say.

Prolet,

There was a guy on this forum (I can't remember exactly who), but he had a name change idea for you that I thought was quite smart. Perhaps we should use it?

[Prolet]

Vangelovski, I was being sarcastic maybe??

The EU has lost its credibility, there is no way we should change our name to join the EU or Nato i think i've made myself perfectly clear in the past. These so called MEP's think they can help us but thats never going to happen.

[makedonche]

It seems like the EU has snubbed Macedonia once more, Gruevski met with Papandreu and Foule then our country got snubbed.

Makedonche, One Austrian MEP had an interesting idea, we change our name once we join the EU if Greece blocks us then we dont change our name. This guy is extremely funny and cleaver i say.

Proletche
This is their way of getting a name change - once they get us used to the idea that there will be a name change and we can't avoid it to get into EU, and we accept that this is so, then they will enforce the change! At the moment they are throwing all sorts of proposals and names at us because it keeps us engaged with the idea that there will be a name change! Simple solution - don't discuss it, don't debate it, don't even acknowledge it - so for me it doesn't exist and there is nothing to discuss -simple!

[Prolet]

Makedonche, My mistake he wasnt even an MEP he was an analyst, these people get funnier and funnier, why do they think they can just come our country and tell us what do to? Im gonna have to agree with you Makedonche, those videos below prove what we are dealing with here.

As for not debating it, well we have to unfortunately we have to keep the Government on their toes otherwise they will do something stupid to please those EU Commissioners not forgetting the Albanian extremists in our country, who think they will get a Greater Albania if we join the EU..

http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/gruevski-vo-brisel-se-sretna-i-so-fule

http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/brisel-ja-„otkachi“-makedonija

http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/avstriski-analitichar-so-predlog-za-promena-na-imeto

[sf.]

Vardar is the river which has it's spring in R. of Macedonia and mounts in the Aegean See. So if we would to accept that Name, that naturally includes the whole flow of the Vardar River, with what I don't have a problem, but than the Greek government must give the rest back, so that the new Name fit the reality.

What it will be Greeks?

Reading this, I got a mental image of Elmer J. Fudd trying to outwit Bugs Bunny. Just saying.

[julie]

Prolet, forgive my lack of humour, but I fail to see the funny side of it all
Makedonche Well said
Vangelovski, LMAO

[Prolet]

I understand where you are coming from Julie

sometimes some things are so ridiculous that you simply have to laugh them off.

[Bratot]

Your "humour" and Question formular are annoying.. not funny.

[johnMKD]

I read all these posts with absolute trepidation, I cannot believe we are even discussing this or that we have devoted a thread to something that doesn't exist. I would ask all MTO members to refrain from this type of absolute GARBAGE. For the record:-
"THERE IS NO NAME DISPUTE"
GREECE HAS A PROBLEM WITH OUR SELF DETERMINED NAME, THEREFORE GREECE HAS A PROBLEM, WE DO NOT! DON'T GIVE THIS TOPIC MORE CONSIDERATION OR DISCUSSION AS WE PERPETUATE IT INTO REALITY!
I ALSO REQUEST THAT THE MODS DELETE THIS THREAD AND NOT LET ANY MORE GARBAGE LIKE THIS POLLUTE THE MTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a thread on "News and Politics" of the Macedonian Truth Forum, Makedonche. The fact that a Greek newspaper said something about Macedonia is both "news" and "politics" as far as I am concerned, disregarding if we support it or not.

[johnMKD]

John, i got a question for you.

What Greek media and politicians says about Turkish people in Cyprus? They deny that Turks living in there and call them with something like "Muslim minority Greek Cypriots"? or they think that every Turkish people in there came from Turkey after 1974, so-called "invaders from turkey"? How they define them?

Yes, indeed Onur. They say Turks came later in Cyprus, after 1974 events, which is absurd even for Greek history books. The "Muslim minority Greek Cypriots" term, I've never heard about it. What is your point however? About Greek media? We all know that Greek media are controlled.

[johnMKD]

Vardar is the river which has it's spring in R. of Macedonia and mounts in the Aegean See. So if we would to accept that Name, that naturally includes the whole flow of the Vardar River, with what I don't have a problem, but than the Greek government must give the rest back, so that the new Name fit the reality.

What it will be Greeks?

Totally agree with you.
The "Vardar" is the silliest name Greeks have ever proposed.