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  • kompir
    Member
    • Jan 2015
    • 537

    Greece's PM hails the agreement, but it faces stern opposition from nationalists on both sides.
    Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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    • Vangelovski
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 8532

      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
      With any luck they will be greeted like this on their way back to the shores of Macedonian-controlled Lake Prespa:

      More likely this:

      video, sharing, camera phone, video phone, free, upload
      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
        I'm not so sure. They've got rhythm.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13670

          Greece's PM hails the agreement, but it faces stern opposition from nationalists on both sides.


          Macedonia name dispute: PMs watch as ministers sign 'historic' deal


          Greece and Macedonia have signed a deal that aims to settle a decades-long dispute over Macedonia's name. Under the agreement, Greece's neighbour will be known as North Macedonia. Greek PM Alexis Tsipras said it was "a brave, historic and necessary step for our peoples". Heated rows over Macedonia's name have been going on since the break-up of the former Yugoslavia, of which it was a part, and have held up Macedonia's entry to Nato and the EU. Greece has long argued that by using the name Macedonia, its neighbour was implying it had a claim on the northern Greek province also called Macedonia.

          The two countries' leaders announced the deal on Tuesday and have pressed ahead despite protests. Mr Tsipras and his Macedonian counterpart Zoran Zaev watched as their foreign ministers signed the deal on Lake Prespa on Greece's northern border on Sunday. The agreement still needs to be approved by both parliaments and by a referendum in Macedonia. Nationalists on both sides say it erodes their identity. On Saturday Mr Tsipras survived a no-confidence vote over the deal amid accusations he made too many concessions.

          It looked like the setting for a wedding. A white marquee erected on the banks of a picturesque lake. And indeed, one of the participants was agreeing to change its name. After almost three decades of dispute, the northern neighbour of Greece should soon become North Macedonia. An elderly man in the audience nodded and smiled. This was Matthew Nimetz - the UN mediator who has spent a quarter of a century trying to find a solution acceptable to both countries. He called the prime and foreign ministers "four outstanding leaders" with "political courage, vision and diplomatic skills".

          There is still some way to go before the name change becomes official. Macedonia's parliament first needs to back the deal. That would be followed by a referendum in September or October. If voters there support it, the government would have to change the constitution, which is a key Greek demand. Things have been complicated further as Macedonia's President Gjorge Ivanov is refusing to sign the agreement. He has the power to veto the deal - but not indefinitely. If he refuses to sign it, it will be sent back to parliament for a second vote. If it passes again, President Ivanov would then be obliged to approve the legislation. The deal will finally have to be ratified by the Greek parliament, a process which may also not be straightforward.
          May Matthew Nimetz burn in hell alongside those Macedonian traitors.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • kompir
            Member
            • Jan 2015
            • 537

            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44511649

            Macedonia name dispute: PMs watch as ministers sign 'historic' deal



            May Matthew Nimetz burn in hell alongside those Macedonian traitors.
            There's a part of me that thinks that they will receive their comeuppance, but the rest of me knows they will get away with this treason...
            Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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            • Phoenix
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4671

              Originally posted by kompir View Post
              There's a part of me that thinks that they will receive their comeuppance, but the rest of me knows they will get away with this treason...
              You would expect some sort of ramifications after this...I can't imagine it being business as usual from here on end...there has to be some consequence...whether now or in the future.

              I think at some point, all concerned on both sides will pay at least a heavy political price (not that it would be a concern for the politicians on our side, they will take their money and run for the hills in Geneva or seek refuge elsewhere)

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                Just to be clear, I'm not North Macedonian. Fuck anyone who is.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Bill77
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 4545

                  I'm trying to get my head around this...... Is the agreement now official?
                  How can a PM have the power to change a constitution?
                  Last edited by Bill77; 06-17-2018, 06:12 AM.
                  http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                  • julie
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 3869

                    Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                    Just to be clear, I'm not North Macedonian. Fuck anyone who is.
                    plus one !
                    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                    • Phoenix
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4671

                      Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
                      I'm trying to get my head around this...... Is the agreement now official?
                      How can a PM have the power to change a constitution?
                      I think there's many hurdles that have to be jumped before this is 'official' in any capacity...at best todays signing event is merely a dog and pony show...but the questions will remain about its legitimacy, I'm sure many will accept a certain inevitability about it and those people in Macedonia will leave it at that and just continue to bemoan their plight or that it is further proof that they're cursed...

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                      • Bill77
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 4545

                        Thanks for your reply Phoenix.

                        I fear those hurdles will be removed by the EU so its fast tracked. There are many hypocritical examples where Macedonia is its own case in the eyes of the EU and democracy means something else towards Macedonia.
                        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                        • Big Bad Sven
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 1528

                          I thought there where a lot of soulless macedonians in the republic. But looks like there are a lot of spineless betas in Australia it seems. And from 'educated professionals' as well. No doubt trying to look good and climb the corporate ladder lol

                          Last edited by Big Bad Sven; 06-17-2018, 07:15 AM.

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                          • Vangelovski
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 8532

                            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44511649

                            Macedonia name dispute: PMs watch as ministers sign 'historic' deal



                            May Matthew Nimetz burn in hell alongside those Macedonian traitors.
                            They certainly played their part, but really, the Macedonian people have allowed this and are ultimately responsible. They should have hung their entire government when it accepted FYROM and began negotiations back in 1993.
                            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                            • kompir
                              Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 537

                              Originally posted by Big Bad Sven View Post
                              I thought there where a lot of soulless macedonians in the republic. But looks like there are a lot of spineless betas in Australia it seems. And from 'educated professionals' as well. No doubt trying to look good and climb the corporate ladder lol

                              He's a fence sitting PC flog who handed over his balls to his wife a long time ago. "Blokes" like him are what the empire wants to turn all men into; cuckolds with more estrogen than women.

                              Да му го ебам женчето пред него, смотан човек
                              Last edited by kompir; 06-17-2018, 07:31 AM.
                              Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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                              • Soldier of Macedon
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 13670

                                From the Macedonian perspective? Moron. Most Macedonians in Australia do not support this treachery.
                                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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