Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Risto the Great]

That looks great!

[Rogi]

There's a video someone has posted on Facebook that doesn't seem to have made its way onto Youtube yet.

It is a video of the protest taken by drone, watching that you get a real view of the size of the crowd and this looks like the largest ever protest in Macedonia

[Tomche Makedonche]

Based on most of the international media reports and images I’ve come across, you’d think all that happened was a handful of “Rightest” and “Conservatives” had a protest in support of DPNE...

Yet when the Greeks have a protest, you have aerial shots plastered everywhere with claims of over 3 million people in attendance in defence of the Greek nation and history!

[Bill77]

Based on most of the international media reports and images I’ve come across, you’d think all that happened was a handful of “Rightest” and “Conservatives” had a protest in support of DPNE...

Yet when the Greeks have a protest, you have aerial shots plastered everywhere with claims of over 3 million people in attendance in defence of the Greek nation and history!

F..K i hate that.

Unless if Rightwing meaning has changed, which means protesting against fascism, against ethnocide, for human rights, for one's dignity.... Then Rightwing is a good thing.

[maco2envy]

What was the estimated turnout? Mina claims 60,000 but I cant trust them

[Rogi]

https://kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/ova-e-narod-snimkata-so-dron-pokazuva-kolku-gragjani-izlegoa-na-vcherashniot-protest-video/

There's a drone video in that URL above

[Amphipolis]

I don't think this has been posted before. This 1949 newspaper by 18th Brigade of Democratic Army was used recently as an argument against the name Iliden Macedonia. Actually I couldn't find anything about this newspaper or how many newspapers the Communist Party was publishing, can you tell me how the name translates in Latin?

[Carlin]

Ѕанакопулос до Заев: Топката е на ваш терен, нема договор додека не договориме се
Tzanakopoulos to Zaev: The ball is in your court, there is no deal until we agree on everything
URL:

https://vecer.mk/makedonija/dzanakopulos-do-zaev-topkata-e-na-vash-teren-nema-dogovor-dodeka-ne-dogovorime-se-video

Both Macedonian and Greek Opposition are not fierce opponents of "erga omnes"
URL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI9FZIAM6MU

[maco2envy]

I don't think this has been posted before. This 1949 newspaper by 18th Brigade of Democratic Army was used recently as an argument against the name Iliden Macedonia. Actually I couldn't find anything about this newspaper or how many newspapers the Communist Party was publishing, can you tell me how the name translates in Latin?

Борец = borets = fighter

Translation of the highlighted parts, please?

[Pelagonija]

I am surprised there are no mentions yet, in here about the massive anti-government protest today in Macedonia. Some of our MTO residents were quick to post the anti DPMNE protests and even took part in them, knowing the alternative we were going to get and the outcome we are now facing.

Anyway...... some images I've come across on social media.

Judging by the large numbers in this image..... Exactly how did Telma come up with "Zaev most trusted by greatest percent of citizens"?


Even socialist supporters join the VMRO rally


A friend in Hungarian Prime minister Victor Orban video address at the VMRO rally


From my understanding...... reported by the media in Greece: "Anti-government demonstration against name change in Skopje", "Skopje rally: our name is Macedonia, no change"

Very little coverage in the media, I was surprised when I saw these posts re the protests.

If a million people turned out in Skopje it still would be brushed aside as it does not fit into the western policy narrative.

The other night I was watching YouTube of an msnbc interview of an ex CIA person who admitted that the CIA is s reaponsible for the Syrian war and suggested that the US gets out. What shocked me was not that the CIA started the war and funded ISIS, it was the reporters complete dismissal of what was said.

Hence fark the media.. now with the net it’s making It harder for governments to peddle their crap. That’s why all these false flags in syria ain’t doing jack. But they will keep on comming.

[Solun]

Very little coverage in the media, I was surprised when I saw these posts re the protests.

If a million people turned out in Skopje it still would be brushed aside as it does not fit into the western policy narrative.

The other night I was watching YouTube of an msnbc interview of an ex CIA person who admitted that the CIA is s reaponsible for the Syrian war and suggested that the US gets out. What shocked me was not that the CIA started the war and funded ISIS, it was the reporters complete dismissal of what was said.

Hence fark the media.. now with the net it’s making It harder for governments to peddle their crap. That’s why all these false flags in syria ain’t doing jack. But they will keep on comming.

One could only imagine the international media attention this would receive if there were Soros (Jess Baily) dollars involved

[Bill77]

One could only imagine the international media attention this would receive if there were Soros (Jess Baily) dollars involved

It happened. Last years Anti DPMNE protests "allegedly" funded by Soros via his NGO funded organizations in Macedonia, that was also hijacked by SDSM, were plastered for days on every media outlet available worldwide. Also from memory, the meddling Jess Baily took part in these marches amongst other foreign officials.

[Solun]

It happened. Last years Anti DPMNE protests "allegedly" funded by Soros via his NGO funded organizations in Macedonia, that was also hijacked by SDSM, were plastered for days on every media outlet available worldwide. Also from memory, the meddling Jess Baily took part in these marches amongst other foreign officials.

Well of course. Soros had his henchman Jess Baily on the ground helping to distribute the funds. You can't question what has been achieved with the millions spent. Government overthrow flowing through to intensive negotiations on Name and Identity.

[Carlin]

The Macedonian government should agree on the text of the agreement by June 9th. This is the request that was sent to Prime Minister Zoran Zaev by the United States, we learn from unofficial diplomatic sources.

According to unofficial information, with the agreement that was reached for the Ilinden Macedonia package, an "exchange" is being done - erga omnes using the new name, and in turn, the Macedonian language and identity remains. But the question was whether there will be a star in the brackets [nationality] and [language], explaining that it is of Slavic origin that has no relation to the origin of the population in Greek Macedonia.

But Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias said in the last night's interview with the Greek television ERT that there are three names on the table, Northern, Upper and New Macedonia, explaining that the Macedonian side rejected Vardar Macedonia, and it is known that at the start of the negotiations Athens rejected the Republic of Macedonia (Skopje). He did not want to reveal what the agreed name was and said "it's included in the package and will be announced by the two prime ministers. Kotzias also did not answer whether the name is Northern Macedonia, as it is speculated in the media.

URL:

https://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/zaev-treba-da-dade-soglasnost-za-dogovorot-za-imeto-do-9-juni

Vecer is also reporting that the agreement will be reached/signed by June 9th. Unsure how accurate, but Vecer is reporting that the agreed name is actually Northern Macedonia, apparently written only as Severna Makedonija without the possibility/ability for translation into English or other (world) languages. The language will be defined as the Language of the citizens of Republika Severna Makedonija, slovenski jazik.

URL:

https://vecer.mk/makedonija/ochekuvajte-do-9-juni-kje-se-potpishe-dogovorot-za-novoto-drzhavno-ime

[Niko777]

Perhaps this is what has been delaying the agreement on the Macedonian side, the fact that Greece is objecting the English translation. Adding a star beside nationality with a side note that it is Slavic seems ridiculous, and if the Macedonian side doesn't reject that, surely the Albanians will. And maybe it's the Albanians too who are objecting "Severna Makedonija" if it cannot be translated in their language.