Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[makedonche]

Of all the awards and recognitions handed out by Macedonian governments and NGO's and diaspora NGO's why hasn't this person,"Klaus Schrameyer" been nominated for Macedonian of the year, Macedonian of the century or any other befitting award? Furthermore why are awards handed out to imbeciles who have done nothing to enhance and promote the Macedonian cause/language/culture/history?.....take note UMD you may want to put him on your list of worthy candidates, if you have the intestinal fortitude!

[George S.]

Hoping for positive response from Samaras, name solution possible through dialogue, s

Hoping for positive response from Samaras, name solution possible through dialogue, says Gruevski

Vilnius, 8 July 2013 (MIA) - Macedonia has met the criteria for opening EU negotiations and for NATO membership, international law is on our side, which has been upheld by the Hague-based ICJ. In spite of this, Greece is blocking Macedonia's Euro-Atlantic integration. We have urged dialogue to be intensified, I have sent a letter to the Greek prime minister and there is still no answer. However, I hope it will be positive, Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski said after Monday's meeting with his Lithuanian counterpart Algirdas Butkevicius in Vilnius.

"Macedonia met the necessary criteria for opening of EU membership talks back in 2009, but it was delayed due to the blockades by our southern neighbour. Then, a lawsuit was filed at the International Court of Justice in the Hague, which was settled in favour of Macedonia. It is a court founded by the UN reaching a judgement that Macedonia is right. International law is on our side, however Greece's EU and NATO membership is on their side. Greece's power of veto is on its side. We have been attempting to initiate a dialogue with the country, which is the biggest problem at the moment because we have the impression that they are not as focused on solving the name issue as we are," Gruevski stated.

He mentioned that recently he had sent a letter to the Greek premier Antonis Samaras urging him to launch a more intensive dialogue at prime ministerial level, also including several ministers, under the auspices of the UN and mediator Matthew Nimetz in a bid the name dispute to be solved as soon as possible.

"I still haven't received a response even though almost a week has passed since I sent the letter. Hopefully, I'll receive a positive answer in coming days. If there is positive response and if we kick off an intensive dialogue, perhaps there are chances to find a solution, because a solution is possible only through dialogue - if there's no dialogue, then there's no solution. With dialogue, there are chances to find a name resolution," said the Macedonian PM.

Lithuania's PM Butkevicius said his country was actively supporting Macedonia's accession to EU and NATO.

"We expect Macedonia to fully implement the European standards and rules and to maintain the excellent bilateral cooperation. We welcome the commitment of the Macedonian government to creating adequate conditions for freedom of expression and freedom of the media. At the same time, we are pleased that Macedonia has been implementing the capacity building project for EU membership and it is expected to be successfully implemented in the future," concluded Butkevicius.

The two interlocutors voiced satisfaction with the countries' cordial ties that are constantly being enhanced.

"We are here to strengthen the bilateral collaboration between Macedonia and Lithuania from a political and economic point of view. There are no outstanding political issues in our bilateral relations. The countries foster good communication and this meeting aims at strengthening the dialogue and intensifying political communication," Gruevski told a joint press conference in Vilnius.

The two prime ministers concurred that there is common interest to enhance cooperation, first and foremost in the field of economy and trade exchange, and to strengthen investment opportunities.

Gruevski said that talks with his Lithuanian counterpart focused also on reforms implemented in the two countries aimed at reaching economic growth and development and at improving living standards. In this context, PM Gruevski presented the package of measures and economic benefits offered in Macedonia inviting Lithuanian businessmen to come and invest in the country.

PM Gruevski, who is leading a government delegation in Lithuania, also attended a business forum in Vilnius organised in cooperation with the Lithuanian Chamber of Commerce.

[makedonche]

Negotiations behind closed doors?


Date: 03.09.2013, 14:48

PM Gruevski welcomed the activities of anyone who can help a well-intentioned

Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski said he could not give any assessment about what was discussed at the meeting of Ali Ahmeti with his Greek counterpart Evangelos Venizelos, because it did not meet with DUI.

- Overall I can say that every one feels that in any way can contribute and help, its activities are welcome as long as they are well-intentioned, Gruevski said after signing the agreement between the University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius "University of Finance and Economics in Chengdu Institute of incorporation" Confucius ".

For his expectations upon his letter to Commissioner Stefan Füle on the report for Macedonia, he said that there is nothing to add, but felt that as head of government should formally notify speaking about what happened.

- Of course, he was informed by various other channels, but thought it was not bad and I can do it, said the Prime Minister.

Regarding the EC report, noted that Macedonia is doing everything in its power to make it as much as positive, but the final word, underlined Gruevski, possessing Commission.
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Source:- dnevnik online

Ako nauchum oti voi gnasen ima daiden pravo za smenvane illi prominvanne na Makedonskoto imeto................ke go naidi kourshom!
Nema da sastanum door da go poshum da se naidi so gospod!

[makedonche]

More from Numnutz


Date: 09.09.2013, 10:21

Nimitz: It is each side to fully understand the views of the other side

UN mediator Matthew Nimetz in Athens met with Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Greece Venizelos Evangeloz of whom once heard a Greek general attitudes in the negotiations.

After the meeting, Nimitz, informed the meeting with Venizelos was very constructive and that "clearly understood the position of the Greek government." He stressed that Venizelos pushed detailed comments on the ideas presented mediator of both negotiators in April.

- He told me that agrees with the Greek side, which does not agree and what kind of changes are acceptable Greece. Venizelos was very clear in comments, Nimetz said, adding that now clearly understood.

The issue of MIA, he thinks, are the authorities in Skopje to accept changes sought by Athens, the mediator said he needed to go to Skopje.

- These are tough negotiations and I think it is very important that each party fully understood the views of the other side and then hope you get close. For me it is important to continue the dialogue, and thus, hopefully, we will be closer and closer to a mutually acceptable solution, Nimetz said.

When asked whether the information is correct that his latest proposal is "Upper Macedonia", the mediator said he had never revealed to any suggestions concerned. Sometimes what is reported in the media is true, sometimes not, Nimetz said and repeated that he would not comment on the proposals.

Regarding a possible meeting between the prime ministers of Macedonia and Greece, UN mediator said that "at the right time and the right place can have a dialogue at the highest level." Nimitz reiterated that it is his mission and that every leader handles things differently.


"Accept changes from Athens" is this bloke serious? No wonder it's dragged out for 20 years, incompetence on both his part and the Macedonians for not standing up for their international human rights! I can't wait for the movie to come out or the broadway show, shit probably even a travelling circus act would be more appropriate!

Source:- dnevnik online

[The LION will ROAR]

30 причини зошто треба да ги прекинеме разговорите за името

http://www.mkd.mk/kolumni/30-prichini-zoshto-treba-da-gi-prekineme-razgovorite-za-imeto

Google Translator:-

30 reasons why you should stop name talks

1. No country in history , but ours has ever negotiated under pressure to change its name .

Second Rude , arrogant and rude to someone asking him to change his name without his wish.

3rd In international law, one of the most important human rights is freedom of expression and fostering their identity , so that right must apply to the Macedonians .

4th The conditions for admission to UN clearly defined for all countries , except in our case is a situation forced the country to be admitted to the UN under the provisional reference and to discuss and negotiate on our behalf .

5th The argument that the southern neighbor geographical area of Macedonia is larger than our country and for that reason there must be a clear distinction between their area of Macedonia and the country does not hold water because the world has many examples denied that this rule is problematic situation : United states / America continent , country Luxemburg / Luxemburg region in Belgium , the UK state / region of Brittany in France ...

6th Administrative district of Macedonia with its southern neighbor does not exist, but there are 3 areas called Western, Central and Eastern Macedonia , without major powers because Greece is a unitary and centralized state which is divided into cantons , and the like .

7th A sovereign and independent country like Macedonia has more right to bear his name than istoimen region neighboring state .

8th Our state name Macedonia ( with different political and suffixes as National Socialist ) officially used since 1945 , so almost 70 years and indirectly by that name is already a member of the UN membership of the Yugoslav federation and its northern Greek region called Macedonia nationalistic reasons in 1988 ( the name means it uses only 25 ) , and in this respect we can say that from whom he " steals " name .

9th The argument that our country is a security threat to its southern neighbor does not hold water because in all these years of independence did not happen to have any security incident or threat to its southern neighbor .

10th Our country is much weaker and the economic battlefield of southern neighbor and in no way can be a threat to their safety .

11th The obligation to negotiate is forced to the interim agreement that a longer period is not respected by the southern neighbor , especially in view of the obligation not to block membership in international organizations under the temporary name , and for this reason we've put in a disadvantage and the question is what is the meaning of when the treaty negotiations that led to them not being respected by the other side .

12th In the period prior to acquire a sovereign state , Badinter Commission clearly said that the country meets all the requirements to be recognized its independence and that our name is not a threat to any of the neighboring countries .

13th International Court of Justice condemned Greece for breaching the Interim Accord and legal frameworks that are specific to it .

14th International Court of Justice clearly states that all procedures that Greece attacked and denounce our country such as naming of streets , boulevards , airports , etc., and placing monuments of prominent figures in history is a violation of the agreement and not an act of hostility and irredentism as it wants to show its southern neighbor

15th The vast majority of the population in the country is clearly opposed to any change in the name of our country .

16th Change the name of the country , for example by adding a geographic qualifier will mean automatic change of identity of Macedonians and rename them , and even humiliation are jeopardizing the very existence of the Macedonian people in this region .

17. The renaming of Macedonia and Macedonians connective tissue breakdown of the state and directly attacks the ethnic balance and stability in the country .

18. This status - quo and constantly weakening the position of Macedonia in terms of negotiating with the name being used by nationalist circles in and out of the country for attacks on identity , language and history of the Macedonian people .

19. Adding the additional requirement to negotiate with the name southern neighbor as a condition for starting negotiations for EU membership and NATO is blackmailing and unprincipled policy of those institutions and questioned their credibility and sincerity of intention to accept our country the full membership .

20th A possible name change does not guarantee that our country would be admitted to these organizations , nor guarantee that there will stand blackmail and blockades by southern neighbor , and lately Bulgaria.

21. Our constant show of good faith , honesty and perseverance in the negotiations , as well as requests for meetings with political representatives of the southern neighbor are interpreted constructively and in good faith by the political representatives of the southern neighbor , but rather as an expression of weakness and helplessness .

22. The request to change the name of the neighboring country can be treated as open aggression and irredentism and nationalism and as such can be set before the international community and relevant institutions ( especially the Security Council of the UN) .

23. Mediator in the negotiations , Mr. Matthew Nimetz has repeatedly placed in the role of promoter and supporter of the views of the southern neighbor (which is most clearly demonstrated in his latest visit to Skopje ) and repeatedly came out of the negotiations involving identity and language issues negotiations .

24th In Europe there are many examples of countries that are not members of the EU and NATO , and are prosperous and provide quality of life of its citizens, to mention only Switzerland and Norway.

25th Name talks are productive , quality and meaning conversations that would lead to compromise and mutual understanding between the two neighboring countries , but are ultimativni requirements by the southern neighbor , in accordance with their persistently promoted red lines that automatically exclude the possibility of achieving compromise ( except completely bowing and accepting their blackmail ) .

26th By adopting the name Macedonia , Greece would lose absolutely nothing , and changing our name centuries we as a people and country lose a lot and opened countless dangers in our future and survival as an independent state and independent people .

27th So far over 130 countries to recognize the name Macedonia in bilateral relations with our country , including the U.S. , Russia and China would not be a good step to accept the name change ( beyond our will) and ask them to change their attitude because our southern neighbor loves it .

28th Southern neighbor is a major economic and political crisis (and were not in crisis) are no looming possibility that they will change their maximalist nationalist stance on the thorny ( for us) question . For these reasons, further extension of negotiations without any prospect of a positive conclusion unreasonable .

29th If you withdraw from negotiations with a public declaration would mention all these views are honest , realistic and reasonable and would have submitted to all relevant factors , would be to take a firm stand for the name of the state and nation are simply not negotiable . Views that will never be national markets with the highest values in the coming years will be able to live and function without the constant torture and self- examination for the unreal , irrational and artificially imposed " name issue " .

30th Name a legacy of previous generations and we simply have no right to put his change , but we have an obligation to preserve and pass on to the coming generations .

[Risto the Great]

And yet one picture of a ventilator still highlights the fundamental flaws in many Macedonians.

[Gocka]

And yet one picture of a ventilator still highlights the fundamental flaws in many Macedonians.

Such a let down isn't it, but at this point I will take what we can get, at least some people are starting to realize how immoral and illogical the name negotiations are, and maybe eventually by the same logic that got them to that realization they can come to the one the the flag is the same as the name.

What is really sad, is that the younger generations some of them have never even known the real flag. The longer that the ventilator is used, the more generations will grow up worshiping it and being totally oblivious to the real flag. At some point it wont even be their fault because they will have grown up knowing only that and nothing else. We are getting to that point, where the future leaders and thinkers will only know the ventilator.

[The LION will ROAR]

Matthew Nimetz donating to US politicians who lobby for Yunanistan

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/23939/45/

US(N) Mediator Matthew Nimetz has donated money to Carolyn Jane Maloney, the U.S. Representative for New York's 12th congressional district. Carolyn Maloney is a member of the Yunanistan caucus, defends and lobbies for Athens positions with other US congressmen.

Matthew Nimetz has donated $2,600 to Maloney and other members of the Yunanistan caucus. Nimetz's donations brings into question his 'neutrality' and capability to be UN's representative in the name dispute.

[makedonche]

Matthew Nimetz donating to US politicians who lobby for Yunanistan

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/23939/45/

US(N) Mediator Matthew Nimetz has donated money to Carolyn Jane Maloney, the U.S. Representative for New York's 12th congressional district. Carolyn Maloney is a member of the Yunanistan caucus, defends and lobbies for Athens positions with other US congressmen.

Matthew Nimetz has donated $2,600 to Maloney and other members of the Yunanistan caucus. Nimetz's donations brings into question his 'neutrality' and capability to be UN's representative in the name dispute.

TLWR
Now do you believe me when I call him Numbnutz?

[Risto the Great]

US(N) Mediator Matthew Nimetz has donated money to Carolyn Jane Maloney, the U.S. Representative for New York's 12th congressional district. Carolyn Maloney is a member of the Yunanistan caucus, defends and lobbies for Athens positions with other US congressmen.

Matthew Nimetz has donated $2,600 to Maloney and other members of the Yunanistan caucus. Nimetz's donations brings into question his 'neutrality' and capability to be UN's representative in the name dispute.

That is outrageous.

[The LION will ROAR]

Yunanistan cements their positions: change constitution + erga omnes

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/23983/2/

Yunanistan's position is clear - name with geographic modifier for all uses, said Foreign Minister Evangelos Venizelos after his meeting with United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

FM Venizelos stressed UN chief Ban was very well informed regarding Athens' stance.

"We are in favor of a mutually acceptable compound name with a geographical modifier – but a name that will be for all uses, erga omnes. A definitive, clear, functional solution. In this way, our neighbouring country, too, will be able to find its European perspective, and this is very important for both them and us, because we want the whole of the Western Balkans to find this common perspective, which functions as a stabilizing factor in our region. We will offer all other possible assistance. We are the major investor, the big neighbour who can help with a sense of friendship, provided, of course, there is good faith, good neighbourliness and respect for international law", said Venizelos somehow managing to keep a straight face.

The UN Secretary-General's office said Ban and Venizelos exchanged views on prospects for resolving the name dispute, including the outcomes of the recent visit to the region of the Secretary-General's Personal Envoy, Matthew Nimetz.

Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fule is scheduled to meet Monday in New York with United Nations mediator in the name issue Matthew Nimetz.

[julie]

We are the major investor, the big neighbour who can help with a sense of friendship, provided, of course, there is good faith, good neighbourliness and respect for international law",

I just spat my coffee all over the keyboard. Quick look up - the flying pigs....

[julie]

Nimetz the numbnut - how does conflict of interest work with international law? A MEDIATOR funding one of the parties....hilarious, a real joke

[George S.]

They are forcing macedonia to change their name even if they don't wish to.It's like trying to tie one hand behind them.Macedonia is "cooperating" but i don't think any of them would dare change their name as look what happened to gligorov got himself blown up.Does anyone trust that the politicians won't change the name? they are dead set to join the eu.

[iceman]

Oneil: Macedonia must go to UN & demand recognition!!

In the past 20 years, Greece is negotiating with bad intentions, no desire to come to an agreement with Macedonia. The latter name proposal (Slavic - Albanian Macedonia) is more derogatory than the previous, says Robin O'Neal, the first mediator in the Greek-Macedonian name dispute with "Voice of the People" Sun TV.

- Time is of Macedonian Government to tell the world that 20 years after the mediation process was a complete failure to address the UN request for admission under its constitutional name, "O'Neal said in an interview with the" Voice of the people. "

http://www.dnevnik.mk/default.asp?ItemID=3C2DB187B69C96408482AFC558F5DEA3