Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Vangelovski]

Thank you for the voice of confidence RtG. It was not me, but your own critical thinking that has brought you to the conclusions that you have arrived to. I'm only stating the obvious, which some would like to ignore so that they can push for a vassal ideological outlook no matter how it violates our natural God-given rights or how contradictory and illogical it is.

[makedonin]

It doesn't matter how much right someone has or has not, if he is abusive and annoying he will not reach anybody and will certainly not going to be used as measurement for who is a good Macedonian or not.

And by not using the Macedonian language or not seeing it as prerequirity for national building he only subjegate him self to another "interim accord" of old times not written on paper but by castro oil and fear of persecution. If that does not count as treason, than I wonder what will. Wonder how he excuses his shortcoming and slave mentality supporting the old Greek struggle to destroy the Macedonian language by choosing foreign language as his first language. Double face at it's best.

It is such small shortcomings that make him even less excusable for his insulting peasant attitude.

[Vangelovski]

It doesn't matter how much right someone has or has not, if he is abusive and annoying he will not reach anybody and will certainly not going to be used as measurement for who is a good Macedonian or not.

And by not using the Macedonian language or not seeing it as prerequirity for national building he only subjegate him self to another "interim accord" of old times not written on paper but by castro oil and fear of persecution. If that does not count as treason, than I wonder what will. Wonder how he excuses his shortcoming and slave mentality supporting the old Greek struggle to destroy the Macedonian language by choosing foreign language as his first language. Double face at it's best.

It is such small shortcomings that make him even less excusable for his insulting peasant attitude.

For someone who is "defending" our name, you can't even bring yourself to spell it correctly. For someone who insists on speaking Macedonian as a prerequisite for being Macedonian, you have failed to master it yourself. But hypocracy is nothing new for you Makedonin, you can't help but contradict yourself.

Noone (other than yourself) has made any standard of measurement in relation to being a "good Macedonian" (you did that with your 'language proficiency' requirement, which you have failed yourself) or even brought up the idea. The points that I have made are nothing other than the obvious truth that has transpired over the past 20 years. You should not accept it because I said so, you should accept it because its a matter of fact.

[indigen]

question

how many of the forum members supported some of this actions active, with sending mail to at least one of the adresses

c´mon guys, also if you dont believe that this actions will do something, take 30 seconds of your soooooo precious time, and send at least ONE email.
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inache bravo Eddie, i samo napred, zrno po zrno pogacha, cekor po cekor, samo napred, i ke se stigne na celta.

onie koi stojat ili se povlekuvaat nikogash nema da stignat na celta

It seems to me like a DIVERSION FROM REAL ISSUE - DEALING WITH THE TRAITORS RUNNING THE REPUBLIC!

The WORST ENEMY RESIDES INSIDE MACEDONIA (plus its external appendages) and whilst this "patriotic campaign" may or may not be a purposely designed diversion to provide cover for the anti-Macedonian BETRAYALS currently (though long in the planning) in the process of being further enacted, it takes away attention and resources from where they are needed most - ending name negotiations and declaring all anti-Macedonian capitulations as 'NULL AND VOID"!

Vangelovski is 100% right on the use of inappropriate symbols but I feel this is only a minor side issue in relation to placing the HIGHEST PRIORITY to the INTERNAL CAMPAIGN to "END THE NAME NEGOTIATIONS" once and for all by declaring the "IA" null and void and seeking UN acceptance as Macedonia or resubmitting a new membership application as Macedonia. If UN does not accept us by our rightful name, then don't join it. The sky will not fall down if a country is not a UN member and there are plenty of countries who were without membership for most of the post WWII UN existence.

So pochit,
I.

[Serdarot]

Don't be such an amatuer - you think noone here has sent an email? We've sent thousands of emails, letters and are in constant contact with our Federal Members, among other government contacts in our own electorates.

Do you even know the political circumstances in Australia, how Governments and political parties work, who are the relevant and influential party members, who their key stakeholders, lobbyists and friends are? Do you have any detailed understanding of the Australian political system or the specific circumstances that the Macedonians face here?

Do you have any idea how long and hard we have struggled to put a sense of national pride into our people here only to have morons like yourself make idiotic attempts to justify national treason like the Interim Accord and the VENTILATOR that was born out of it?

Do you have any idea about anything at all?

Imam prilicno cista idea deka si kurton od coek. I rodnina da mi si, poso imam rodnini vo Misleshevo, ke ti pluknev v lice.

I was one of the first people to show disrespect to Vangelovski many years ago due to his somewhat abrasive manner.

I was one of the first people to apologise to him due to his intellectual depth on Macedonian matters.

I suggest you question the content of his messages more than the manner in which he presents them.

The rest of you really should not comment about him until you can comment from a knowledgeable perspective about the articles mentioned immediately above this post.

The day I send an email to someone demanding rights for Macedonians using the ventilator symbol is the day I will be pointing at it and showing how that symbol was forced upon Macedonians in a manner that has no precedent.

Wake up Macedonians. We are weak, pitiful and slave-like for the exact reasons being displayed here.

Here is a point for the intellectual giants here, if Greece was forced to change its flag ... how many Greeks would accept that? Zero. But Macedonians want to respect this capitulation. Is it from complete dumbness or more to do with feeling inferior to the rest of the world, or is it more to do with being slaves with zero belief they can change their plight in their lives?

Risto, Vangelovski i sekoj drug koj e premnogu glup za da svati od nekolku pati, aj ushte ednas. Posebno obratete vnimanie na crvenoto.

da pustevte po eden mail do nekoja Vlada , Ministerstvo ili Partija, namesto da serite na temava, ke napraevte mnogu pogolema rabota.

Ne mora da se upotrebuva oficijalnoto zname, dovolno beshe samo tekst.

Pishav deka ova ne e tema za znameto, imeto, ramkovniot, ama KURTONI od lugje uporno ja tupat temava.

Za onie koi ne znat Makedonski ili slabo znat Makedonski:

Send Email, and stop trolling.

If you keep on trolling on this topic, you are simply KODOSHI.

without any respect towards kurtonite i trolojte

Goce

[Serdarot]

Indigen, kakva diverzija be?

Daj ne lupaj ti barem.

"Deteto", MAKEDONECOT koj na internet koristi sinonim "Eddie Rebel", gi inicira ovie "akcii", ne kako diverzija, tuku kako izraz na Ljubov kon Makedonija.

Toj NEMA mokj da gi "sredi" tie domashni predavnici i nasi dushmani, ama praj TO SHO MOZHI.

A kurtonite samo serat i serat.

Da im se pluknam na umot sho go nemat.

[Vangelovski]

So in other words Serdarot, you have NO IDEA about the circumstances in Australia, who they key players are or what activities are currently being undertaken? I'm so glad that you have come along to set us straight!

[Serdarot]

Vangelovski, da ne si kurtonot koj sho si, namesto da troluvas, ke gi najdese adresite na "key players" i ke gi postirase tuka ili ke mu gi daese na Eddie.

Ama si Kodosh be "bratuched".

[Vangelovski]

Vangelovski, da ne si kurtonot koj sho si, namesto da troluvas, ke gi najdese adresite na "key players" i ke gi postirase tuka ili ke mu gi daese na Eddie.

Ama si Kodosh be "bratuched".

Your amateurism has no bounds!

Come on Serdarot, like you said, we are all brainless down here - we need you to show us the way. Surely you could have advised Eddie or posted them here. You know what you're on about. Remember when you tried to convince me that the year 380AD came before the year 70AD? That's the kind of logic we need to get things done downunder, and its your time to shine!

[makedonin]

Vangel,the Macedonian language consists of many dialects, speaking ones own dialect is sufficient. You don't even have or use any.

You also grasp at straws when talking about spelling. My alleged spelling mistake certainly did not prevent anybody who can speak Macedonian to understand what was said. Your augment is stupid at best.

Let us start now your game, how do you excuse your slave mentality concerning your submission to the ages old Greek persuite to wipe out the Macedonian language by substituting Macedonian for some foreign language? How do you reconcile your treason while accusing others for treason?

Show me your best stunt and dodge that. I bet you do that, it is my hypothesis. I observe.

[Vangelovski]

The Macedonian language consists of many dialects, speaking ones own dialect is sufficient. You don't even have or use any.

You also grasp at straws when talking about spelling. My alleged spelling mistake certainly did not prevent anybody who can speak Macedonian to understand what was said. Your augment is stupid at best.

Let us start now your game, how do you excuse your slave mentality concerning your submission to the ages old Greek persuite to wipe out the Macedonian language by substituting Macedonian for some foreign language? How do you reconcile your treason while accusing others for treason?

Show me your best stunt and dodge that. I bet you do that, it is my hypothesis. I observe.

Makedonin,

I never claimed that one needs to speak Macedonian in order to be a Macedonian - YOU DID. The questions you raise are better directed towards YOURSELF.

Seeing as YOU claimed knowledge of Macedonian as a prerequisite for being Macedonian, how is it that YOU cannot even spell the name of YOUR OWN country?

However, the GREEK attempt to wipe out Macedonian, did not try to introduce just ANY foreign language, but GREEK in particular. If I was using GREEK, then you would be making sense, but I'm not. Secondly, ENGLISH is not a foreign language for me or tens of thousands of other Macedonians who were born and raised in ENGLISH speaking countries. It is in fact, one of our NATIVE languages and many Macedonians (who by the way understand the treason of the Interim Accord) are not able to speak Macedonian at all, yet they are much more relevant to the Macedonian cause than you are!

Besides, there are thousands of Macedonians in Egej, who through no fault of their own, only know Greek. With your idiotic 'language prerequisite' YOU have effectively denied their Macedonian identity!

[Soldier of Macedon]

Serdarot, has anybody referred to you as a 'kurton' or other slur in Macedonian? Tone down such insults, they aren't warranted.

As for this whole discussion, I can't believe there are still Macedonians here trying to justify the use of the new flag with excuses like 'it is constitutional'. So what?! An act of treachery was inserted into our constitution, simple. Is this now worth defending? Is it worth promoting? Macedonians need to stop using this flag, or decrease its use until it is completely insignificant. It is a mark of shame on our nation that has no relevance for our people aside from reminding us everytime we look at the thing that 'this is what we were forced to accept because our leaders are weakling traitors'.

[indigen]

It doesn't matter how much right someone has or has not, if he is abusive and annoying he will not reach anybody and will certainly not going to be used as measurement for who is a good Macedonian or not.

That is just your opinion but if we were to apply your logic above, then nobody is listening to you and you are just spamming MTO!

And by not using the Macedonian language

Why divert the topic from the real substance of the issues raised by Vangelovski with irrelevant side issues? How many migrants in western countries such as Australia, Canada and America have retained language proficiency amongst those that arrived as young children or were born there, especially where education resources were underdeveloped or non-existent, as is the case with Macedonians? Not very many and you are in no position to judge here. This is a non-issue brought up as an excuse and to attack patriotic Macedonians originating from the Diaspora by those unable to defend their compromised political stance/s on a given issue and has a long history dating back to the Yugoslav (SFRJ) days.

If that does not count as treason, than I wonder what will. Wonder how he excuses his shortcoming and slave mentality supporting the old Greek struggle to destroy the Macedonian language by choosing foreign language as his first language. Double face at it's best.

DIVERSION AT ITS BEST AND USELESS DRIVEL AS IT RELATES HERE! What a farked up zombie you are!!!

It is such small shortcomings that make him even less excusable for his insulting peasant attitude.

What have you got against peasants? Don't you know that the vast majority (if not all) of Macedonians have peasant roots and our Macedonian folk culture is in essence a peasant one!? I bet one will not need to go back far in history to find the peasant roots of any given Macedonian and all the pretensions to some high urban "civilised" culture are sad delusions.

[George S.]

i've allready sent emails to the primeminister twice no results,I've sent to germany emails & others as well.I'm happy i did & know that i did it.

[Serdarot]

Serdarot, has anybody referred to you as a 'kurton' or other slur in Macedonian? Tone down such insults, they aren't warranted.

Za mene upornoto lazenje i izvrtvanje na zborovi na Vangelovski i impliciranjeto "your cult" beshe golema navreda, pogolema od to da mi reci nekoj "kurton", pa ne reagirashe.

Bev navreden od drugi clenovi zato sho pogresno razbraa moi zborovi napisani na Makedonski, pa ne reagirashe. I sega ke mi prodavas pravednost?

lol

Ne sum jas kriv i ne e moj problem, ako nekoj se odnesva ko kurton i kompleten debil.

To sho nekoi tuka se nauceni na lazna uctivost - e vas problem, ne e moj.

Citaj, sega SE KE BOLDIRAM I SO CRVENO KE OZNACAM, poso izgleda slabo gledate i svakjate:

da pustevte po eden mail do nekoja Vlada , Ministerstvo ili Partija, namesto da serite na temava, ke napraevte mnogu pogolema rabota.

Ne mora da se upotrebuva oficijalnoto zname, dovolno beshe samo tekst.

Pishav deka ova ne e tema za znameto, imeto, ramkovniot, ama KURTONI od lugje uporno ja tupat temava.

Za onie koi ne znat Makedonski ili slabo znat Makedonski:

Send Email, and stop trolling.

If you keep on trolling on this topic, you are simply KODOSHI.

As for this whole discussion, I can't believe there are still Macedonians here trying to justify the use of the new flag with excuses like 'it is constitutional'. So what?! An act of treachery was inserted into our constitution, simple. Is this now worth defending? Is it worth promoting? Macedonians need to stop using this flag, or decrease its use until it is completely insignificant. It is a mark of shame on our nation that has no relevance for our people aside from reminding us everytime we look at the thing that 'this is what we were forced to accept because our leaders are weakling traitors'.

da ti povtoram uste ednas?

Ne mora da se upotrebuva oficijalnoto zname, dovolno beshe samo tekst.

Pishav deka ova ne e tema za znameto, imeto, ramkovniot

A ako nekoj implicira deka jas go branam ventilatorot ili ramkovniot , ne samo sho e kurton, tuku e i GLUP KODOSH.