Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Jankovska]

Jankovska,

Explain how you expect anyone to have "respect" for treason?

I don't have to explain anything to you coz for me you are a pointless person on a forum who writes crap all day long. Go back, read your Bible and carry on convincing yourself how good person you are. In my opinion you are a waste of time. You have owe me soooo many explainations on questions I have asked and you replyed with questions only. Try answering those first and than I will give you an explanation.
Or in true Vangelovski style, here is my explanation

Where were you to fight for the flag when we seperated from Jugoslavia?

The Bible is a treason, it's lies that killed and toirtured people for centuries. And yet you swear by it. You are a funny guy Vangelovski, very funny

[Vangelovski]

Wrong, I just joined your sawdust game ... you were all along the champion in the game... I hope you don't mind... nah, like I care if you don't....

Is that all you have to grasp on? How do you spell it in Australionian?

I haven't set out any demands like that. I don't see my self in position nor do I have the need to set any demands on anyone.

Yet, I have only to look at your approach, recall what you have talked and look at the hard facts reality, to know with almost 100% certainty that you haven't achieved anything.


That is a good example of how to use your imagination. You are really good at that, keep on the good work, thumbs up....


I am compelled by the lack of humility, insensitivity and arrogance of the approach taken in such discussions. On the other hand, when reading such thing, the inner peasant of mine can't stay away out of it, and wants his share of the insulting orgy that has been going on lately here.

Really tell me, what drugs are you using. Speed-ball mixed with grass perhaps?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

So, have you worked out how to spell 'Македонија' yet? Knowing the Macedonian language is the standard that YOU set for being a Macedonian. It would only be logical that one should be able to at least spell the name of their country, don't you think?

[Vangelovski]

I don't have to explain anything to you coz for me you are a pointless person on a forum who writes crap all day long. Go back, read your Bible and carry on convincing yourself how good person you are. In my opinion you are a waste of time. You have owe me soooo many explainations on questions I have asked and you replyed with questions only. Try answering those first and than I will give you an explanation.
Or in true Vangelovski style, here is my explanation

Where were you to fight for the flag when we seperated from Jugoslavia?

The Bible is a treason, it's lies that killed and toirtured people for centuries. And yet you swear by it. You are a funny guy Vangelovski, very funny

Most people already know the story (except for the same old few who refuse to engage their brains). The illegitimate Macedonian Government in 1995 (illegitimate because it rigged the elections to come to power) CAPITULATED to Greek demands that we change our FREELY CHOSEN flag. That is HIGH TREASON by any definition. Jankovska would now like us to "respect" the symbol of treason and capitulation known as the ventilator.

Seeing as JANKOVSKA has called on us to "respect" treason, can she explain exactly how she expects us to do that, without lobotomising ourselves? Or, is a labotomy the only way?

In addition to HOW, it would also be interesting to hear from JANKOVSKA, WHY she thinks we should "respect" treason?

The HOW and the WHY.

It would also be interesting to hear from JANKOVSKA, HOW we can resist oppression when she expects us to "respect" the oppression that we are under. HOW does one resist something they "respect"?

[Jankovska]

Most people already know the story (except for the same old few who refuse to engage their brains). The illegitimate Macedonian Government in 1995 (illegitimate because it rigged the elections to come to power) CAPITULATED to Greek demands that we change our FREELY CHOSEN flag. That is HIGH TREASON by any definition. Jankovska would now like us to "respect" the symbol of treason and capitulation known as the ventilator.

Seeing as JANKOVSKA has called on us to "respect" treason, can she explain exactly how she expects us to do that, without lobotomising ourselves? Or, is a labotomy the only way?

Very simple, the same way you respect the Bible!!!!
Or in my way stop calling it a ventilator. Now why don't you answer my question and tell me where were you to fight against the flag and the illegitimate gov? If you avoid answering I swear I will never exchange one word with you ever again. You are a tough guy Vangelovski you like for everyone to give you answers but all you do is avoid to give them. I hope people here see through you sooner rather than later.

[Vangelovski]

Very simple, the same way you respect the Bible!!!!
Or in my way stop calling it a ventilator. Now why don't you answer my question and tell me where were you to fight against the flag and the illegitimate gov? If you avoid answering I swear I will never exchange one word with you ever again. You are a tough guy Vangelovski you like answers but thoughout the time all you do is avoid to give them.

I accept the Bible, hence I respect it. Does that mean you accept treason?

There are a few more questions there J.

Considering I was 16 at the time of your glorious VENTILATOR, my options for resistance were limited. However, as you can see, I am actively attempting to show people that the VENTILATOR is TREASON and that we need to RESIST it and never legitimise it. Nothing will ever change if we "respect" oppression and treason.

Never exchange another word with me!? Really!? I hope you're not teasing!

I also hope people read my posts and think carefully about them.

[makedonin]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

Try harder.... If not maybe you will understand it in Klingon tongue.... who knows, everything is possible...

[Jankovska]

I accept the Bible, hence I respect it. Does that mean you accept treason?

There are a few more questions there J.

Considering I was 16 at the time of your glorious VENTILATOR, my options for resistance were limited. However, as you can see, I am actively attempting to show people that the VENTILATOR is TREASON and that we need to RESIST it and never legitimise it. Nothing will ever change if we "respect" oppression and treason.

I also hope people read my posts and think carefully about them.

I don't accept the Bible but I respect it.

I do hope people read you and see you for what you really are!!

[Vangelovski]

Try harder.... If not maybe you will understand it in Klingon tongue.... who knows, everything is possible...

So..."Македонија'...how's that going?

[Vangelovski]

I don't accept the Bible but I respect it.

I do hope people read you and see you for what you really are!!

So basically you want us to "respect" treason but you can't tell us HOW or WHY? Maybe an easier question - WHY "respect" the VENTILATOR and not "FYROM"? They come from the same place.

I'll give you a clue - you can't respect something you don't believe in.

[makedonin]

So..."Македонија'...how's that going?

Ain't we good in dodging Philotas? How's that going for you?

[Serdarot]

da pustevte po eden mail do nekoja Vlada , Ministerstvo ili Partija, namesto da serite na temava, ke napraevte mnogu pogolema rabota.

Ne mora da se upotrebuva oficijalnoto zname, dovolno beshe samo tekst.

Pishav deka ova ne e tema za znameto, imeto, ramkovniot, ama KURTONI od lugje uporno ja tupat temava.

Za onie koi ne znat Makedonski ili slabo znat Makedonski:

Send Email, and stop trolling.

If you keep on trolling on this topic, you are simply KODOSHI.

[Bill77]

da pustevte po eden mail do nekoja Vlada , Ministerstvo ili Partija, namesto da serite na temava, ke napraevte mnogu pogolema rabota.

Ne mora da se upotrebuva oficijalnoto zname, dovolno beshe samo tekst.

Pishav deka ova ne e tema za znameto, imeto, ramkovniot, ama KURTONI od lugje uporno ja tupat temava.

Za onie koi ne znat Makedonski ili slabo znat Makedonski:

Send Email, and stop trolling.

If you keep on trolling on this topic, you are simply KODOSHI.

Bravo Serdare

Well said. What a great thread and initiative started by Eddie, only to be hijacked and destroyed. Who needs Greeks and Albanians to be thorns in our side when we have these so called Macedonians fucking things up.

Good luck to you guys. And i wish our nation all the success. Even though i now understand we never had a chance.

[Vangelovski]

da pustevte po eden mail do nekoja Vlada , Ministerstvo ili Partija, namesto da serite na temava, ke napraevte mnogu pogolema rabota.

Ne mora da se upotrebuva oficijalnoto zname, dovolno beshe samo tekst.

Pishav deka ova ne e tema za znameto, imeto, ramkovniot, ama KURTONI od lugje uporno ja tupat temava.

Za onie koi ne znat Makedonski ili slabo znat Makedonski:

Send Email, and stop trolling.

If you keep on trolling on this topic, you are simply KODOSHI.

Don't be such an amatuer - you think noone here has sent an email? We've sent thousands of emails, letters and are in constant contact with our Federal Members, among other government contacts in our own electorates.

Do you even know the political circumstances in Australia, how Governments and political parties work, who are the relevant and influential party members, who their key stakeholders, lobbyists and friends are? Do you have any detailed understanding of the Australian political system or the specific circumstances that the Macedonians face here?

Do you have any idea how long and hard we have struggled to put a sense of national pride into our people here only to have morons like yourself make idiotic attempts to justify national treason like the Interim Accord and the VENTILATOR that was born out of it?

Do you have any idea about anything at all?

[Vangelovski]

It appears that the same old forum members are pushing their agenda on here again, and that is accpetance and legitimisation of the Interim Accord. So far, they have demonstrated their acceptance of the VENTILATOR and Macedonia's renouncement of our FREELY CHOSEN symbol (highlighted in RED). Lets scratch beneath the surface and see exactly what else they have accepted and will eventually push for:

Article 5: name negotiations

Article 6: Macedonia renouncing all claims to its ethnic/historic territory and agreeing NOT to pursue the rights of Macedonians not only in Greece but in ANY OTHER STATE

Article 7: Not only renouncing the Sonce but any other symbols that Greece considers to be part of its historic or cultural heritage

Article 11: Macedonia agreeing to only enter international organisations under FYROM

[Risto the Great]

I was one of the first people to show disrespect to Vangelovski many years ago due to his somewhat abrasive manner.

I was one of the first people to apologise to him due to his intellectual depth on Macedonian matters.

I suggest you question the content of his messages more than the manner in which he presents them.

The rest of you really should not comment about him until you can comment from a knowledgeable perspective about the articles mentioned immediately above this post.

The day I send an email to someone demanding rights for Macedonians using the ventilator symbol is the day I will be pointing at it and showing how that symbol was forced upon Macedonians in a manner that has no precedent.

Wake up Macedonians. We are weak, pitiful and slave-like for the exact reasons being displayed here.

Here is a point for the intellectual giants here, if Greece was forced to change its flag ... how many Greeks would accept that? Zero. But Macedonians want to respect this capitulation. Is it from complete dumbness or more to do with feeling inferior to the rest of the world, or is it more to do with being slaves with zero belief they can change their plight in their lives?