Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Venom]

See, the thing is traveller, there is no real name 'issue' per se. It is really an issue of what greeks did to Macedonians with help from their European overlords a little while ago.

So when THAT issue is solved, do you think greece will be able to afford to be anyone's stepfather?

[Traveller]

Yeah, the EU is not happy with Ireland.
But Ireland is doing very well economically.
Unlike Greece which has been a huge financial drain on the EU. The excuses are getting thinner and thinner.

Haha, indeed. But now things have changed and we pay for the poorer ex communist newcomers. We are financing even countries that dont belong to EU like ROM through the pact for Balkan reorganization. The expansion of the university of Tetovo (among others) is financed by Greece.

[Bratot]

Haha, indeed. But now things have changed and we pay for the poorer ex communist newcomers. We are financing even countries that dont belong to EU like ROM through the pact for Balkan reorganization. The expansion of the university of Tetovo (among others) is financed by Greece.

You?

haha

You are talking about EU funds, not Greek. Those money, doesnt belong to you, they were given to be managed by Greece in the Balkan pact.

[Traveller]

ALL THE GREEK EVENING TV NEWS TRANSMITTED MINUTES AGO THAT NIMITZ'S PROPOSAL IS " REPUBLIC OF NORTH MACEDONIA". The language "MACEDONIAN" and the ethnicity "Citizens of the republic of North Macedonia". It seems that there is a level of acceptance from Greek foreign office but as they say the conflict between Cervenkovski and Gruefski could undermine the negotiations FOR NOW. the solution as they say will come after the US elections. All the correspondents from Skopje said that there are indications of non rejection from the goverment but they are cautious for who will take the responsibility (Gruevski or Cerv.)

[Traveller]

You?

haha

You are talking about EU funds, not Greek. Those money, doesnt belong to you, they were given to be managed by Greece in the Balkan pact.

Greece now PAYS in EU , like Germany, France,Netherlands and others.

[Bratot]

Greece now PAYS in EU , like Germany, France,Netherlands and others.

Exactly,that mean its not ur money anymore but EU money.

From those EU funds your country was builted,so you owe to EU anyway.

Are you familiar with the saying "Duzen ko Grcka"?

[Traveller]

Exactly,that mean its not ur money anymore but EU money.

From those EU funds your country was builted,so you owe to EU anyway.

Are you familiar with the saying "Duzen ko Grcka"?

No, translate in english please.

[Bratot]

No, translate in english please.

Since the creaton of the Greek state by the Great Powers that time United Kingdom, France and the Russian Empire, the Greeks owe a lot to them.

Nothing of that have changed today, thats why the saying "Duzen ko Grcka" was known, expressing somebody who is all in debts, "indebted/owing as Greece".

Try to google it : Duzan ko Grcka

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Duzan+ko+Grcka

[osiris]

the west at a governmnet level does not give a shit about human rights , it never has . any human rights that have been achievdd have come from the grass roots from the people, from wilberforce to the sufferagets to the civil righst movements in the us. the government intelligentia and most of its media have always lagged behind and clung to the old order.

its the same for us macedonians if they were to accept us as macedonians it would mean they have been wrong all this time about their cherished hellenic cradle of democracy and its colonial land grab in macedonia. hell a pig with lipstick is still a pig, and no body in the western political cultural elites wants to admit it. it would mean having to revive their whole racist history. there is a deep psychological investment in the glory and goodness of hellas, one that the west is unable to divest themseves of .

and clever little wannabe greece is still playing that ancient card at all times, because thats all they have, thats the only card in their pack that is worth anything the rest are all jokers.

so big dora the desperado never talks about her own immeadiate family tree, it would be a liitle embbarassing a half albaanian pretending to be a hellene, much easier to talk about tha past and to villify us as inavaders in our own land. despite all the dna evidence and current historical research she and her suitors in the west will continue to deny us our rights.

i dont know where we should go from here, other than to call their bluff and start cosing up to russia an china.

would they then begin to arm the more radical albanian citizens of macedonia and start painting us with the nasty despotic violent slavs/serb/ russian brush, most likely, can we survive their potential destabilisng tactics, i believe we could.

so far our reasonable, willing, open, pro western political bent has after nearly 20years got us nowhere. show some nerve gruevski and co, next time nimitz comes with an oiffering tell him straight." mr nimtez we know your hands are tied and you must continue this charde, but we are no loneegr able to play our role in this farce. we are macedonians and nothing less is acceptable. please convey to those hellenic pretenders, that the jig is up and they can bring on their veto their embargo and whatever else greece has in store for us. this is our line in the sand our alamo, our identity is not negoitable".

[Risto the Great]

How many years ... and now North Macedonia?

Is that the best Nimetz could do?

[osiris]

its the dance of the mad we are involved in risto, i dont believe nth macedonia would be accpetable to the athenian lunatics. they are on a roll now they think obama their man will soon give them whatever they want.

[Venom]

Hang on hang on. Hasn't North Macedonia been suggested (and therefore rejected) before? Why is Nimetz collaborating directly with the grci regarding this?

osiris is right in saying they think that Obama their saviour will force us to be anything but Macedonia now.

Which is why I think it is time for Macedonia to hop into bed with someone else.

[Risto the Great]

i dont believe nth macedonia would be accpetable to the athenian lunatics. they are on a roll now they think obama their man will soon give them whatever they want.

Who gives a shit that it is not acceptable to the Athenian lunatics.
The fact that it appears to be acceptable to the likes of Crvenkovski says more about us than it does for the Greeks. Shame on all Macedonians if this transpires.

I can't believe what has happened in the dynamic over the last month with that sellout Crvenkovski ... it would be treason in any other country.

[Spartan]

I take it "Nort Macedonia" is completely unacceptable to the majority of you guys?

[Traveller]

Nimetz's proposal were REJECTED today by the main greek opposition party (socialists) because: a) of the "Macedonian" language and basically b) even though your country's name in every international organization will be North Macedonia , it leaves a window for billateral relations for every country to call you as they want. It seems to me that the opposition is saying what the goverment wants to say but is afraid of the Americans. Behind the lines you can read "let's wait for the American elections".