Australian position on Macedonia

[rujnovino]

Don't you still have some outstanding questions on the UMD Announcements thread?

No, I don't believe I do, actually, Vangelovski

Are you sure you're not a UMD board member - you seem to be using the same tactics.

Tactics? What the hell are you talking about? Is disagreeing with your "interpretations" a tactic? Or is it simply common sense?

Avoid questions, disappear for a few days and then hope that everyone has forgotten about your dribbling nonsense.

I haven't avoided any of your questions, Vangelovski, as stupid as they are. I should avoid them, probably, and avoid anyone who talks in circles like you do.

I don't care what you forget about or what you remember.

You can call my comments "dribbling nonsense" or something else that is equally pejorative, or you can actually discuss some issues, it's up to you, but I'm not impressed by your rabid polemics.

As for Risto the Great, his latest comment about Australian Macedonians leading the way on Macedonian human rights in the world is very interesting. I'm looking forward to his explanation.

[Vangelovski]

You have avoided many questions in relation to your own comments. In particular, how is it that you supposedly do not support the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement, yet you blindly support UMD whose key policies are based on these treasonous agreements.

You have done nothing here other than avoid the substance of questions, disappear and then reappear posting more nonsense as if you had already addressed your previous nonsense.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Rujno,

You have left several questions unanswered on the other thread. If you're going to continue being a liar on this forum, at least show some consistency.

[makedonche]

rujnovino
I'm still waiting for an answer as well - not just insults and evasion!

[rujnovino]

You have avoided many questions in relation to your own comments. In particular, how is it that you supposedly do not support the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement, yet you blindly support UMD whose key policies are based on these treasonous agreements.

You have done nothing here other than avoid the substance of questions, disappear and then reappear posting more nonsense as if you had already addressed your previous nonsense.

I addressed that, and you didn't like the answer.

[rujnovino]

Rujno,

You have left several questions unanswered on the other thread. If you're going to continue being a liar on this forum, at least show some consistency.

I never lied once, more than I can say for you.

[rujnovino]

rujnovino
I'm still waiting for an answer as well - not just insults and evasion!

Makedonche, I'm interested in discussion, not in semantics.

I'm also interested in Risto explaining how Australia leads the way on human rights - I can't wait for the answer, if there is one.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

I can't wait for the answer

Do, you also speak "Ancient Macedonian" (3,000 plus years) like the president of the UMD? If so, can you upload about 60 seconds?

Fala

[makedonche]

Makedonche, I'm interested in discussion, not in semantics.

I'm also interested in Risto explaining how Australia leads the way on human rights - I can't wait for the answer, if there is one.

Rujnovino
OK we'll do it your way!
I'd like to discuss the credibility of an organisation that contains a misrepresentaion of fact in their title. I believe that it undermines the organisation a great deal given that the very foundation of the organisation is based on a misrepresentation. While we are having this discussion i also bring to your attention the dangers of commencing an organisation without the appropriate democratic protocols being implemented in the formation of such an organisation. These two points alone are enough to cause apprehension and mistrust amongst other such similar organisations - and as such apprehension and mistrust result in disunity and conflict.
Your thoughts on this discussion?
And if your'e wondering what it has to do with the title of this thread, disunity and conflict are contributing factors to Australians not having challenged the registration.

[Vangelovski]

I addressed that, and you didn't like the answer.

Show me where you addressed this?

[rujnovino]

Rujnovino
OK we'll do it your way!
I'd like to discuss the credibility of an organisation that contains a misrepresentaion of fact in their title. I believe that it undermines the organisation a great deal given that the very foundation of the organisation is based on a misrepresentation. While we are having this discussion i also bring to your attention the dangers of commencing an organisation without the appropriate democratic protocols being implemented in the formation of such an organisation. These two points alone are enough to cause apprehension and mistrust amongst other such similar organisations - and as such apprehension and mistrust result in disunity and conflict.
Your thoughts on this discussion?

Ok, Makedonche - please educate me about how the title of the organization is misrepresented, either here, or in the other thread, as you wish.

[rujnovino]

Show me where you addressed this?

Well, clearly this is off topic, but...
I don't accept your interpretation that UMD endorses the Framework Agreement or Interim Accord as a matter of policy. Perhaps they don't denounce them with the passionate self-righteous anger you would have liked, but it hardly makes them treasonous bugarofils. We've been through this again and again, you and I, but either it is your obsession/inaet that makes you repeat yourself again and again in circles on this, or some other hidden agenda. Either way, it's very tiresome.

The statement on this thread from Risto is about how the Australian Macedonians are at the forefront of human rights and always have been. Would be nice to get some explanation on that one, because it sounds like another one of his grandiose comments, which have nothing to support them other than hot air.

[Vangelovski]

Well, clearly this is off topic, but...
I don't accept your interpretation that UMD endorses the Framework Agreement or Interim Accord as a matter of policy. Perhaps they don't denounce them with the passionate self-righteous anger you would have liked, but it hardly makes them treasonous bugarofils. We've been through this again and again, you and I, but either it is your obsession/inaet that makes you repeat yourself again and again in circles on this, or some other hidden agenda. Either way, it's very tiresome.

The statement on this thread from Risto is about how the Australian Macedonians are at the forefront of human rights and always have been. Would be nice to get some explanation on that one, because it sounds like another one of his grandiose comments, which have nothing to support them other than hot air.

Are you now ignoring all of UMD's statements including the ones that I pointed out to you such as:

...The United Macedonian Diaspora urges Greece to end its diplomatic blackmail and abide by the rules to which it agreed to in the Interim Agreement...

UMD Media Release
24 February 2008
http://umdiaspora.org/index.php?opti...d=309&Itemid=1

Are you that much of a blind apologist? I'm not providing any "interpretation". I'm looking at UMD's exact words.

How many times have we been over this? Are you someone that I know? Are you a UMD Board Member?

[Soldier of Macedon]

I never lied once, more than I can say for you.

All you do is reinterpret and back-track when you're proved a liar or ignorant. And this keeps happening time and again. Have you figured out your purpose here yet? At the moment, you have only served one, and that is as an UMD apologist. If that is the limit of your use here, then you are of no use at all.

[Phoenix]

Well, clearly this is off topic, but...
I don't accept your interpretation that UMD endorses the Framework Agreement or Interim Accord as a matter of policy. Perhaps they don't denounce them with the passionate self-righteous anger you would have liked, but it hardly makes them treasonous bugarofils. We've been through this again and again, you and I, but either it is your obsession/inaet that makes you repeat yourself again and again in circles on this, or some other hidden agenda

Maybe it's just me but I thought there was a fundamental need to display passion and even self-righteous anger when defending and promoting Macedonian causes, particularly if your organization likes to promote itself as the pre-eminent group representing Macedonian interests around the world...anything short of such passion is surely in the realms of blatant charlatanism.