Australian position on Macedonia

[makedonche]

Objectivity, honesty, transparency, integrity, consistency - all of these should be a given for any Macedonian organisation. Sadly they aren't. That's a shame.

SOM
And added to "the Macedonian Cause"!

[Soldier of Macedon]

i want a suffix, can i have that?

What, you don't want the prefix anymore? Make up your mind. Or have you come to some confusion over the difference between a prefix and a suffix also?

Objectivity, honesty, transparency, integrity, consistency - all of these should be a given for any Macedonian organisation. Sadly they aren't. That's a shame.

SOM
And added to "the Macedonian Cause"!

Good point.

[Prolet]

Tajnata Kniga, Wernt we once called Socialist Republic of Macedonia during the Yugoslav Era???

SOM, We have always been pushing the double formula here, Greece can call us Democratic Republic of Macedonia while the rest can call us Republic of Macedonia however Greece will never agree to this. Metodija is being slammed for using the term Democratic infront of ROM this interview for Za Makedonskite Raboti is 3 years old now and you cant put that against him, we where in a much worse situation and Greece pounded us heavily now there will be no name change its as simple as that.

All these arguments are baseless and stupid, if somebody respects the current Macedonian Flag is a traitor?? I personally prefer the Sun of Kutlesh that is my personal choice however i will never spit on a Macedonian Flag especially this one, if we continue with this ultra nationalism not only will we be divided between our communities around the world but the Macedonians in Stari Kraj wont think much of us thats for sure, some are already accusing us of interfering and others believe we dont shouldnt have the right to vote if this continues we will only be shooting ourselves in the foot.

SOM, The traitors in the 90s signed the disgraceful Interim Accord we have signed it and we must respect it, the good news for us is that the Greeks hate it more then we do and they didnt even implement it in their parliament, they have clearly broken it which means they dont respect it. We are using it to our advantage and the Greeks dont like it, the Framework Agreement is also similar and the Albanians hate it more then we do, there have been many calls for them to dismantle it which is also to our advantage because in return they will get far less then they do now. Its time for us to be using these accords and yes they are disgraceful and disgusting to our advantage because these parties are not even prepared to offer the bare minimum of what they signed which in return will loose everything.

[Soldier of Macedon]

SOM, We have always been pushing the double formula here, Greece can call us Democratic Republic of Macedonia while the rest can call us Republic of Macedonia however Greece will never agree to this.

Prolet, I don't have the time to go through this again with someone who has been apparently following the conversations like yourself. The 'democratic' prefix was suggested by Meto for international use at the UN, in the same ZMR interview he also suggested a bilateral name with Greece, this is 2 names, not 1. Add to that the constitutional name, and that makes 3. Watch the video again.

.....this interview for Za Makedonskite Raboti is 3 years old now and you cant put that against him

I can, and will, until he decides to explain his actions. Am I asking for too much? As the president of an organisation that is supposed to represent the Macedonian Diaspora, he should be held accountable for his words and actions, and when he makes such errors, he should explain his reasoning, and how he has corrected himself, but instead, he blatantly denies it. This is where Meto lost the average Macedonian like me, who until recently, did not take too much of an interest in this discussion.

[Phoenix]

Prolet, I don't have the time to go through this again with someone who has been apparently following the conversations like yourself. The 'democratic' prefix was suggested by Meto for international use at the UN, in the same ZMR interview he also suggested a bilateral name with Greece, this is 2 names, not 1. Add to that the constitutional name, and that makes 3. Watch the video again.

I can, and will, until he decides to explain his actions. Am I asking for too much? As the president of an organisation that is supposed to represent the Macedonian Diaspora, he should be held accountable for his words and actions, and when he makes such errors, he should explain his reasoning, and how he has corrected himself, but instead, he blatantly denies it. This is where Meto lost the average Macedonian like me, who until recently, did not take too much of an interest in this discussion.

Bingo!!!

The other problem is that UMD can't accept that there's many people out there who aren't happy about certain things that UMD do, UMD's response is not to rectify the "misunderstandings" but to pass them off as "agendas"

[Prolet]

SOM, You're flogging a dead horse more like it, the circumstances where different and you know it we where heavily pushed and even threatened with alot of things at that time now its different we have much more support in the international world we have more friends and the UMD has done alot since then they have the Congressmen they are lobbying with what they can its very hard they are not a heavily financed organization they dont have the general funds they have to work hard to get results.

We are in a much stronger position then we where three years ago and yes we can all learn from our past and we have to be very fierce just like the Greeks are, we are slowly gaining momentum and it wont be long until the Greeks will have to give in somehow and be forced into making some tough decisions. I'll be disappointed if the UMD made similar remarks now but they havnt and thats that unless you have a better idea on having another organization that is prepared to fight for Macedonians in the Diaspora world wide then we have no choice but to support the UMD, like it or not we want the UMD and we need the UMD sure we can criticize them its part of the process everybody gets criticized however we need a tough lobby group that is prepared to go the distance and yes Metodija will be in Australia next month and we have to make the most of how we can improve our community as a whole and how we can unite in order to save our name and country.

[Soldier of Macedon]

SOM, You're flogging a dead horse more like it, the circumstances where different.....

Prolet, perhaps you should stop flogging whatever it is that you are flogging, because it is beginning to make you sound a little apologetic for somebody else's errors. I couldn't care less what the circumstances were, the UMD are not the Macedonian Government bre chojache, sho ne mozhish vo toa da razberish? Ako se prai budala vladata, treba i OMD da se prai isto budala? Is the UMD an independent organisation that is supposed to represent the Macedonian Diaspora, or is it a lackey for the Macedonian Government? The UMD's role in that situation, rather than agreeing with a name change as stipulated in the ZMR interview, was to warn the Macedonian Government against any capitulation, as per the wishes of 99% of the Macedonian Diaspora. That is their purpose. The UMD are not the Macedonian Government for the Macedonian Diaspora.

Is Meto the president of Macedonia that he felt so compelled to jump on the 'democratic' bandwagon? Sam ne znaish sho zborash nekoash. Da ne si podnapijan vecherva?

[Prolet]

LOL Samo 2 biri se napiv, beshe zheshko mnogu.

We need to look at the big picture and the interview for Za Makedonskite Raboti has been mentioned far too many times, we've been through it many times over and over so what if Metodija apologizes?? Is that going to change anything on the Greek side?? We need to look at what the UMD does not what they say, the last thing we need is sweet talk or something we just simply want to hear. Sure i agree that everybody is responsible for their actions but judge what UMD does overall not what they said 3 years ago, if you want nationalistic approaches then why not push for laws that put traitors behind bars for life?? Like Sestra Ljube,Vojvoda Ljubco,Predavnik Frckovski,Pijanica Branko, what about Kiro Gligorov who still gets a presidential pension and still has a driver taking him everywhere? I'll back you on that, the damage was done in the 90s and we cant change that however we can change the future and this is what we should be fighting for.

[Risto the Great]

West gets behind Macedonia

http://hobsons-bay-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/west-gets-behind-macedonia/

HUNDREDS of impoverished people in Macedonia are receiving aid from residents across Melbourne’s West and beyond.

The Australian Macedonian Humanitarian Aid Relief Fund has set up donation drop-off points in western suburbs including Ardeer, St Albans and Laverton. Another is planned for Hoppers Crossing.

The aid bases across Australia are used by residents to drop off mainly clothing, blankets and bed sheets which are packed in specially-marked boxes and shipped to Macedonia.

The Ardeer Hot Bread shop on Fitzgerald Rd is one of the aid bases.

Cira Joldeski, who is from Ohrid in Macedonia, said hundreds of boxes had been filled with aid from locals.

“It’s to help the people in Macedonia,” Mrs Joldeski said.

“They are very poor.”

Once the boxes are filled, Fund members such as Janko Georgievski of Bundoora, pick them up and send them overseas.

“After the separation from former Yugoslavia, the Macedonians were left with nothing,” Mr Georgievski, who was born in Bitola, said.

“They had to start their lives again so we intend, as an organisation, to help those people and to especially help the elderly, the poor and the people with disabilities.”

Mr Georgievski said since the fund started in 2002 - through the humanitarian section of the Macedonian Orthodox Church, Milosrdie - more than 5000 boxes have been sent to Macedonia, aiding thousands of poverty-stricken people.

Other goods shipped through the fund to Macedonia have included medical equipment. A container scheduled to go last week contained 2000 walking canes for the blind.

Mr Georgievski said the fund had also launched appeals to raise money to help those in Macedonia needing urgent medical attention to receive treatment in Australia.

He cited examples including a 35-year-old woman who received 85 per cent burns to her body during a workplace incident in Macedonia in 2003. Treatment was unavailable in her country so the woman was brought to Melbourne by the fund and treated at the Alfred Hospital before returning to Macedonia.

Mr Georgievski said had she not received treatment, she would have died.

“Our aim is to help people,” Mr Georgievski said.

“And we are doing this because of people wanting to help other people.”

Anyone wanting more information on the Fund can call 9466 2272.

This sounds excellent. I may try to call Mr Georgievski later today.

[Warrior]

Excellent idea, hopefully our community in Melbourne supports this.
I am assuming the Shipci in Maco are excluded from reciving anything from the donations.....

[Soldier of Macedon]

Excellent idea, hopefully our community in Melbourne supports this.
I am assuming the Shipci in Maco are excluded from reciving anything from the donations.....

Good initiative. Do these guys collaborate with Sotir Mitrev, who does similar work?

As for the ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, at least most of them, they do not want our help, heck, they don't want Macedonia to exist, that is the sentiment as expressed by their leaders.

[The LION will ROAR]

Guy's I've sent afew boxes to Macedonia from Sydney each box costs around $120 to send and it's under some Humanitarian Aid Fund for Macedonia..would it be the same group..?
If not... RTG can you ask Mr Georgievski will there be one established in other cities..?

[Daskalot]

This is a great initiative, there are many things that you might consider ar junk that would make good use for someone in need in Macedonia.

[ZAS]

Guy's I've sent afew boxes to Macedonia from Sydney each box costs around $120 to send and it's under some Humanitarian Aid Fund for Macedonia..would it be the same group..?
If not... RTG can you ask Mr Georgievski will there be one established in other cities..?

Yes it is.

[ZAS]

Good initiative. Do these guys collaborate with Sotir Mitrev, who does similar work?

As for the ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, at least most of them, they do not want our help, heck, they don't want Macedonia to exist, that is the sentiment as expressed by their leaders.

Sotir Mitrev was a GREAT HUMANITARIAN, Bog Da Go Prostit, he ONLY worked za DOBROTO na Makedoniya,
There are different groups claiming to work for CHARITY but they all charge cash to send Parcels to Stari Kray.