Slavic Migration

[Soldier of Macedon]

Selim, some questions for you.

What were your ancestors before they were Muslims?

How did your ancestors become Muslims?

[Venom]

Give him a couple of days to run back to MotW and get some fabricated answers for you.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Venom, I truly hope that is not the case, I was actually looking forward to discussing some issues with a Macedonian of the Islamic faith.

Каи забега бре Селим Аго?

[Soldier of Macedon]

I don't know about any "historical accounts including linguistic elements" about pre-slavic Slavs in the Balkan area. Would you be so kind and show me some?

I said pre-existing commonality, the limits on which are yet to be determined.

If the theme is of interest to you, take the time to read over the many threads we have here in the history and exposing lies forums, that will be a good start. Then you can give me your educated comments about them in the relevant thread(s).

[Selim]

Selim, some questions for you.

What were your ancestors before they were Muslims?

How did your ancestors become Muslims?

Well, mu nickname is Muslim, bur I'm not a Muslim. I'm an Orthodox Macedonian. I just gave you an example of Macedonian Muslims to think about it. The ancestors of Macedonian Muslims were Orthodox (or maybe, Bogomili). But, what religion did their ancestors belonged to? I'll answer:Before becoming Christian, they were Slavic pagans.

[osiris]

all of europe was pagan before christianity, and the slav migration theory is something that is slowly unravelling selim, you seem to still accept it as an indispuatble historical fact, many poeple including a whole school of paleohistorian are now convinced the migration as commonly believed in the late 19th and 20 centuries did not occur.

[Daskalot]

Zdravo Selime! Dobrodojde!

zoshto koristish muslimansko ime ako ne si muslimanec?

[Selim]

I respect all Macedonians, regardless of religion. If you are a Macedonian of the Islamic faith and you still identify as a Macedonian then good for you, we need more like you.

As a Macedonian myself, being Macedonian comes first above all else, region, religion, etc.


I don't see your point, several Christians have pre-Christian customs and rituals, they are ingrained in Christianity itself. What are you trying to get at, some sort of Islam vs Orthodox topic? Which one is better?

Pejcinovic and Misirkov were not from the same parts of Macedonia, the former was peripheral and the latter more central, of course dialects will differ. You do know that dialects are different, don't you? Which language used in Macedonia? The literary language? Please show me how different this language is to that of Misirkov, I want to see these great differences.

And likewise for the rest of them. At least Macedonian is based on central dialects, Bulgarian is based on the far eastern dialects of the Black Sea shore, and whatever Serbian is based on it sure isn't closer to Macedonian than any of the rest surrounding the country. The Macedonian language, as with all literary languages, was standardised. This is what happens in all countries, you can't have everybody speaking their own dialects in official communications, there must be unison.

The answer is rather obvious, but you seem to have already formed an opinion, why don't you tell me rather than playing tango with your words?

You did not make it known that you are a Macedonian. You did not come across as a Macedonian by the tone of your post. You did not mention Greeks, Bulgarians, Romans or Egyptians in your first post. Therefore, I wonder correctly.

You seem to be disgruntled about something mate, are you coming here with an agenda or is it that you don't trust Orthodox Macedonians, sho ti e tebe, ako si Makedonec pa togash sme brakja, sho tuku mi zborate so takov odnos, sho te bodi?

As I said before, I'm not a Muslim, I'm an Orthodox Christian.
Not just several, but ALL Christians have pagan, or pre - Christian customs and rituals. My point was that Macedonian Christians have Slavic customs. I wonder, wy they are not "antic Macedonian" ones.
I know where were Pejčinović and Misirkov from, I gave them as an example. if you don't get my point, I'll give you another: Let's compare Tetovo dialect at Pejčinović's time and today's Tetovo dialect. There are huge differences. Today's Macedonian standard language is based on Bulgarian language (Ohrid dialect was under direct influence of Bulgarian language), and the letters are based on Serbian letters. Mislirkov declared himself as a Bulgarian. His idea was to protect the Slavs in Macedonia from non - Slavic Greeks, not from Bulgarians and Serbs. Macedonian is based on central dialects? Are Ohrid and Struga in central Macedonia? Misirkov, as a Bulgarian, wanted to form a Macedonian state (država), not Macedonian nation (narod).
And now, let me answer my own question (you were right, I have already formed an opinion and answer to it): The purpose of using the cyrillic letters by our nation is that they were dedicated for us, but not as Macedonians, but as Slavs. Yes, they are letters used before too, but they were adjusted for Slavic use.
I think that Slavic identity of today's Macedonians is not a question (we are obviously Slavs). The right question is: Were the ancient Macedonians Slavs too, so that we could name ourselves their descendants.

[Risto the Great]

Selim, if you live in Macedonia.
You must be very lonely.

Your understanding of Misirkov also suggests you are of limited intellect.

Go back and read his texts, then let me know your thought after you grow up a little.

[Soldier of Macedon]

As I said before, I'm not a Muslim, I'm an Orthodox Christian.
Not just several, but ALL Christians have pagan, or pre - Christian customs and rituals. My point was that Macedonian Christians have Slavic customs. I wonder, wy they are not "antic Macedonian" ones.
I know where were Pejčinović and Misirkov from, I gave them as an example. if you don't get my point, I'll give you another: Let's compare Tetovo dialect at Pejčinović's time and today's Tetovo dialect. There are huge differences. Today's Macedonian standard language is based on Bulgarian language (Ohrid dialect was under direct influence of Bulgarian language), and the letters are based on Serbian letters. Mislirkov declared himself as a Bulgarian. His idea was to protect the Slavs in Macedonia from non - Slavic Greeks, not from Bulgarians and Serbs. Macedonian is based on central dialects? Are Ohrid and Struga in central Macedonia? Misirkov, as a Bulgarian, wanted to form a Macedonian state (država), not Macedonian nation (narod).
And now, let me answer my own question (you were right, I have already formed an opinion and answer to it): The purpose of using the cyrillic letters by our nation is that they were dedicated for us, but not as Macedonians, but as Slavs. Yes, they are letters used before too, but they were adjusted for Slavic use.
I think that Slavic identity of today's Macedonians is not a question (we are obviously Slavs). The right question is: Were the ancient Macedonians Slavs too, so that we could name ourselves their descendants.

Selim, have you had your breakfast today? Eat something first, then come back and post when you can make some sense.

A Bulgarian posing as a Muslim, that's a first, I can only take your words as serious as I would your false identity here. If a person feels that he must lie his way into a forum with a fake nationality and then tries to pass on his words as gospel, I can only consider this cheap piece of garbage as simply that, garbage.

Take RtG's advice and stop parroting your Tatar propaganda. By the way, don't send me PM's and pretend to be some joker on the public forums, ni Slavcho ni Selim, ke ostanish bez pochit tuka zaradi tvoite lagi i bez vezi. I da ne ti go povtoruvam ova, jasno?

[Soldier of Macedon]

The right question is: Were the ancient Macedonians Slavs too, so that we could name ourselves their descendants.

I would rather have my nation call itself by the historical and native name of the region, rather than that of a Turkic invader from Asia.

You can identify as you like Slavcho, Selim, or Asparuk, but your ill-informed and distorted view of history and reality have no place anywhere, least of all in Macedonia.

You Bulgar Tatars must be getting desperate...........

[Soldier of Macedon]

Mislirkov declared himself as a Bulgarian. His idea was to protect the Slavs in Macedonia from non - Slavic Greeks, not from Bulgarians........

Oh, Macedonians! It is time we realized that the greatest demon Macedonia must battle against is none other than Bulgaria - Misirkov, On Macedonian Matters.

Time to wake up Bulgar, the Tatar masters disappeared over a 1,000 years ago. Ne se plashi, we will help you get through this.

[Selim]

First of all, I am a Maacedonian and I declare myself as a Bugarofob.
But, my personal view to Bulgarians is not relevant when we talk about this subject. Facts are only relevant. And, fact is that Misirkov was (or, he thought he was) a Bulgar from Macedonia.
Misirkov said that the biggest thread for Macedonia is Bulgaria, but in political view. He did not say that the biggest thread for Macedonians are Bulgarians. If you read some of his scripts, you will surly notice that he declares himself as a Bulgarian, but he fights to form a different, Macedonian state. And in those times (as well as now), Bulgaria was the biggest enemy of the Macedonian idea. Nation is not the same as state.
And, Risto, this shows that you are a man of limited intellect. I would like some things to be different as well as you want, but, we can not change history.

[Selim]

I don't come here any more, this forum is full of brain washed vmro fans

[Risto the Great]

Bye Selim.
I wish you were a muslim Macedonian ... instead of a sellout confused Bulgar loving fool.