What do Greeks do when they read about Alexander and Phillip?

[1946-1949]

Sorry there Risto.
The Macedonians were Hellenes.
There is a plethora of information that you can research to confirm this.
I'll give you a clue, they were Hellenes living in the Hellenistic period.
Take a look, and see why this is irrefutable.

[Bratot]

Let me guess... Persians were also Hellenes living in a Hellenistic period?

There is a plethora of information that you can research to confirm that most of the Greeks fought on the Persian side, against Macedonia and Alexander.

[Risto the Great]

Sorry there Risto.
The Macedonians were Hellenes.
There is a plethora of information that you can research to confirm this.
I'll give you a clue, they were Hellenes living in the Hellenistic period.
Take a look, and see why this is irrefutable.

Not even close!
Please post what you believe constitutes any suggestion of Macedonians being Hellenes.

[1946-1949]

I believe the ancient Macedonians were Hellenes because they were responsible for spreading the Hellenic culture to the east.

[Risto the Great]

I believe the ancient Macedonians were Hellenes because they were responsible for spreading the Hellenic culture to the east.

You can believe whatever you like, but reality has a way of dispelling your dreams.

[Rogi]

That's ridiculous.

I must be an anglo-saxon when I go to Macedonia because I teach some of my friends and relatives there some English, etc...?!?

The fact that there wasn't a slavic migration cannot be proven either.

That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. That's not how it works buddy, you don't make a claim and then say you can't be proven wrong... the onus is on you to prove that the claim you made (that there was a migration) is true.

Aliens exist.
I must be right about that, because you cannot prove me wrong. Do you see the absurdity in that, and why logic does not work that way?

[Ne Smassen]

Fuck Alexander

[Risto the Great]

That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. That's not how it works buddy, you don't make a claim and then say you can't be proven wrong... the onus is on you to prove that the claim you made (that there was a migration) is true.

Agreed.
Better yet "numbers guy", find out who made the original claim and see what they used to back it up.
.... I dare you.

[lvintra]

About "Macedonian" minority:
1904 Ottoman census of Hilmi Pasha for Thessalonika:
Vilaeti of Thessalonica:
Greeks 373,227 - Bulgarians 207,317

Vilaeti of Monastiri :
Greeks 261,283 - Bulgarians 178,412

Santzaki of Scopje:
Greeks 13,452 - Bulgarians 172,735

1906 The Ottoman census of Hilmi Pasha for the area of Macedonia:
423,000 or 41.71% Muslims (Turks and Albanians)
259,000 or 27.30% Greeks
178,000 or 18.81% Bulgarians
13,150 or 1.39% Serbs
73,000 or 7.72% others

1921 “Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes” (later known as “Yugoslavia”):
8,946,000 or 74.4% Serbs and Croats
1,024,000 or 8.5% Slovenes
174,000 or 1.5% other Slavs
513,000 or 4.3% Germans
472,000 or 3.9% Hungarians
441,000 or 3.7% Albanians
229,000 or 1.9% Romanian
12,000 or 0.1% Italians
201,000 or 1.7% others

1926 the League of Nations for Greek region of Macedonia:
1,341,000 or 88.8% Greeks
2,000 or 0.1% Muslims
77,000 or 5.1% Bulgarians
91,000 or 6.0% others (mainly Jews)

Only 4 years after Marshal Tito had created Yugoslavia's southern republic (former Vardarska Banovina) and called it “People’s Republic of Macedonia”
778,718 or 66.10% “Macedonians”
198,313 or 17.21% Albanians
96,851 or 8.04% Turks
9,508 or 0.90% Vlachs
and SUDDENLY no Greeks!!!

I donnt dieleve in God dy if i was in fallen aeroplane i was pray to Him.
I cannt change your opinion for your identity,you born with it, but facts is facts.

[Rogi]

Hi Ivintra,

Thanks for showing us the Hilmi Pasha statistics which outline the number of followers of the Greek Patriarchy and the Bulgarian Exarchy.

What were you trying to prove with them? That the Macedonian Church didn't exist at the time?We know that, it was dissolved in 1767, in fact at the request of the Greeks...

Or did you think those figures had anything to do with ethnic demographics?

Hey, remind me again, why was the Abecedar initially written and published?

What do you mean by 'suddenly no Greeks' by the way?
The 1921 census of the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes doesn't show Greeks either?!?

[Risto the Great]

Ivintra, I was going to delete your post because of it's irrelevance to the discussion. I am still in two minds about it. But do you really believe the religious affiliations are an appropriate measure of ethnicity? You do know that this is what was used to determine Greekness or Bulgarianness.

Take a look at the Official Turkish Statistic Ethnicity of Macedonia Philippopoli 1881. Greeks were 2% of the population of Macedonia. Looks like Macedonia had a lot of Greek "guests" in 1904 as opposed to 1881 ... or maybe they were Macedonian who just changed to a shade of blue. If you are going to throw numbers around, look at these as well. Enjoy yourself.

[Venom]

I was wondering where the apologists had gotten to. Demos is too dumb and only answers questions copy and pasted from MotW which he chooses.

But here they fucken are.

Welcome back fellas. 1969, I take it you are Mr Ed?

You're that fucking stupid it seems sad. You can't prove it didn't happen so therefore it must've happened?!

Guys please, don't even try to explain it to these fucking tools. If that is the best they can come up with, well, we have not much to worry about.

[1946-1949]

Chill out champs, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

[lvintra]

Hi guys
First "Risto the great" the post was irrelevance to the discussion you have right but it is my first forum give 2-3 day to to understand how a forum works.
I only post it to see you the Yugoslavic change of dieraction.
Greeks were 2% of the population of Macedonia?Ok, but how many "Macedonias" were?

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[Soldier of Macedon]

Greeks were 2% of the population of Macedonia?Ok, but how many "Macedonias" were?

Those statistics are based on adherence to either the Greek (speaking) dominated Patriarch and Slavic-speaking Exarchate, which were also known as 'Romaoi' and 'Bulgar'. They were taken about a decade after the establishment of the Exarchate, and it demonstrates clearly that the overwhelming majority population of Macedonia wished to have religion and education in their own Church Slavonic and native tongue, only 2% wished to remain with the Greek-speaking lot. The Bulgarians used and betrayed the Macedonians and their state propaganda togther with the Greek equivalent during and afterwards is what altered those figures in later records.