Macedonian proto-nationalism

[Liberator of Makedonija]

The whole book is availabe here:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ghlight=rossos

Thank you


Pretty interesting how the author differentiates between Macedonians who were total bugaromani and those who were more bugarofili. I think most authors (and even Macedonians) put them in the same category. It's worth pointing out also how Rossos claims that those who were totally Pro-Bulgaria and supported San Stefano were very much a minority in the Macedonian national revolutionary movement, the same as those with similar feelings towards Greece and Serbia. But states those with Bulgarian leanings or a general positive bias towards Bulgaira were more numerous but also on roughly equal levels with the "Macedonists" (Macedonian nationalists).

[Amphipolis]

The whole book is availabe here:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7858&highlight=rossos

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Carlin, you wouldn't be able to provide the page after the last image would you? Very curious how the author differentiates between those 3 camps they've stated.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

[Liberator of Makedonija]

As I have stated before, Victor Friedman cites the 1860s as the beginning of a concrete and widespread Macedonian identity. He categorises Macedonian figures of this period into two factions: Uniates and Separatists (also known as by other writers as "Macedonists"). Friedman states that the Uniates continued to believe in a joint Macedo-Bulgarian literary language that would act as a comprise between Macedonian and 'Thraco-Moesian'. The Separatists believed the growing Bulgarian literary language was already too favourable towards 'Thraco-Moesian' and discriminative against Macedonian, and so began to advocate for the formation of an independent literary language based soley on the dialects of Macedonia, completely independent from the other languages.

[Daniel the Great]

Very interesting stuff. Further information from the Romanian wiki page on the village of Macedonia.

The settlement was founded by the Macedonian family (Maczedonia, in Hungarian) and already appears in the papal records of the diod (tax) from 1332-1337, under the name of Machadonia. In 1465 he had 50 houses and was owned by Ladislau Doczy (Vasile Doci?).

I wish there was some source conected to it. Love to know more about this Ladislau man.

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia,_Timi%C8%99

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Very curious how the Bulgarian philism differs from Macedo-Bulgarianism? My guess would be the philism saw the Macedonians completely as Bulgarians and sought the integration of Macedonia into Bulgaria. Whilst Maceo-Bulgarianism could just be very Pro-Exarchist and whilst close with Buglaria, wished for Macedonia to be its own state.

No shock that "Macedonianism" intensified post-1870, the Exarchate can blame themselves for that one.

[Carlin]

[Liberator of Makedonija]

I’m in disagreement. I don’t think you can point to a timeframe as I believe it is even earlier than 1860.

Exhibit A:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1204

Exhibit B:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=1287

I agree, you can't put an exact date on things like this. Friedman never provided evidence as to why he suggested the 1860s, its possible this was merely a passing rough estimate or when he believed the existence of a Macedonian identity by this point was undenaible. The earliest reference to "Macedonianism" is from the 1860s I believe.

[TrueMacedonian]

To go off the write-up: There are numerous examples of Macedonian proto-nationalism which have been evidenced in this forum multiple times. I believe it may have been Victor Friedman (those who know him will know he is incredibly knowledgable about Macedonia) that estimated modern Macedonian nationalism to have began to develop around the 1860s.

I’m in disagreement. I don’t think you can point to a timeframe as I believe it is even earlier than 1860.

Exhibit A:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1204

Exhibit B:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1287

[Liberator of Makedonija]

To go off the write-up: There are numerous examples of Macedonian proto-nationalism which have been evidenced in this forum multiple times. I believe it may have been Victor Friedman (those who know him will know he is incredibly knowledgable about Macedonia) that estimated modern Macedonian nationalism to have began to develop around the 1860s.

[VMRO]

If anyone wants the book by Eric Hobsbaw - "Nations and Nationalism since 1780"

I have it in pdf.

[TrueMacedonian]

Bump. Post coincides with the Smyrna Clerk discussions of nationalism.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

bump...........

[George S.]

amazing find as usual TM congrats.Very intersting read.