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He means me. My real name is Tomas.
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अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
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Greeks don't know what Slav/Slavic means, so they should shut the hell up. It's not their business to deal in Slavic affairs, nor is it their business to deal with Macedonian affairs either.Originally posted by lavce pelagonski View Postअयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.Comment
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LOL sorry for the confusion, you are correct Tomas, the Balkans are messed up due to a lot of meddling by foreign powers.Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.
„Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил ЧакаларовComment
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My language is Macedonian and I provided a table that is of international origin that even uses it for all eras of Macedonian history.Originally posted by Delodephius View Post
See Link: here
Even without going into the origins of the language and if it is indigenous to Macedonia and the Macedonian Peninsula (a.k.a. Balkans), you are aware of how Bulgarians consistently use terminology such as "Old Bulgarian", which more or less is accepted by international scholars and linguists but refuse to apply the same principle and use "Old Macedonian" (which even Slavists such as Lunt have indicated is more applicable than "Old Bulgarian").That is how your ancestors called it in 862 AD.
See above. Macedonic is a more appropriate linguistic designation and, IMO, this is what proud and patriotic Macedonians (though this need not concern you) should use and insist on others to use.Today we call it OLD Slavonic to distinguish it from modern Slavonic/Slavic languages.
Are you are certain that it was "brought to Macedonia"?When this language was brought to Macedonia
If there was such little difference, how do you now it was not Macedonian that was accepted in the first place"it was accepted by the Macedonians because there was little difference between Macedonian and Slavic.
It SHOULD BE, it can be and it has been used by some international reputable sources.The language family cannot be called Macedonic
You don't know that for certain, do you?because it wasn't Macedonian that spread throughout Europe,
That is rather irrelevant and I am sure we can find various other examples of languages being called something other that what they are called today.it was Slavic. In the Middle Ages they didn't speak of a Macedonian language in Germany, they spoke of Slavic (Wendish). They didn't speak of Macedonian in Russia, they spoke of Slavic. They didn't speak of a Macedonian language in the Balkans, they spoke of Slavic.This is a simplistic view of this issue and better transferred to another topic or sub-forum, IMO! Various examples of misnamed nations and peoples, that is who they were/are, in history can be found and the Macedonians being among one of them!Who were the Slavs then?Last edited by indigen; 06-18-2011, 09:01 AM.Comment
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Lavce, it IS time to lift your game here on the forums and learn to quote properly!Originally posted by lavce pelagonski View Post
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Oh I'm so not touching this. Yes I'm a coward and I'll hide under my big straw hat.अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.Comment
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But just out of curiosity, Indigen, what is your theory on how "Macedonic" languages spread from Macedonia all over Eastern and Central Europe and are now spoken by more than 300 million people? And when did they spread?अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.Comment
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I'm here to help.
I've read (in this forum) that the history of Alexander the Great was written and distorted by Greek idiots and liars a few centuries after his real life. So, maybe he had conquered a bigger and/or different part of the World.
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If you ask any Grkoman in Toronto they'll tell you Alexander conquered Danforth Avenue, opened several restaurants then erected a statue in his own honor - A. WisemanOriginally posted by rosetta View PostComment
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Ibdigen i remember in the early 1990's when professor peter hill was doing some research into macedonian pecalbari in sydney australia & he was interviewing me & my family of how we came to be etc.
I said to him afterwards that do you have time to get into a long discussion about something on our identity.He said why not.He was saying he was professor of slavonic studies at hamburg university??Anyway i said you specialise in slavonic studies.I said you take a macedonian who thinks he is macedonian,I said there is so much diservice & destruction that referring to one as slav or slav macedonian.I said look at the people in that are meant to reopresent us are letting us down by the refrence to slavs.We went on discussing the slav history etc even to wards prehistoric references,Finally he caved in & said i was right.I explained to him that the so called illiterate slavic hordes went through greece,bulgaria,turkey,albania,Why do we don't classify them as slavic.He realised that we were letting ourselves down by adopting a whole view of slavianism.Also i mentioned over the years all our enemies have been working on overdrive using smear tactics to destroy us & tell us we are nothing but slavs which is false.After this discussion Peter Hill i'm sure was very well informed on the issue.He just said he never thought about it before like that.I said you just remember to tell the real truth about slavianism & where it stands in relation to macedonians.Also since then over the years i have informed other members in the macedonian community what the effects of the slavianism has really done is to destroy our identity.I did remind people that each side of the occupied territory tried to outdo each other with heavy duty propaganda trying to tell macedonians that they are not related to the ancient macedonians & they should take glory out of being slavs & related to the slavs.Nothing could be further from the truth."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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@Indigen I know how to post, I was tired.Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.
„Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил ЧакаларовComment
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Lavce & what have you been doing that makes you so tired???"Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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I don't know what Lavce was doing, but it's 4 AM here and I have been drinking since 8 PM. Maybe he was doing something of the sort. X-Dअयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.Comment
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Webster Dictionary, 1967-1969.Originally posted by rosetta View Post
Etnogenezata na makedonskiot narod
kontinuitet i tradicija : nekoi aspekti
Lidija Slaveska.
Published 1992 by Matica makedonska in Skopje .
Written in Macedonian.Comment
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