Acient City Na Mala Prespa (Samuel Era)

[thessalo-niki]

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All stories and details (e.g. names, places, dates) are fascinating. Being a Greek, I can contribute by providing e.g. info about your ancestors from sources in Greek, or clarify things that are basic stuff for us, yet confusing for you. For example, parts of the following story just don't seem correct, while other parts are specific and detailed.

my grandfather fought greeks, italians and the germans. He was in the Bitola-Prespa partisan detachment Dame Gruev.The third group of the Dame Gruev detachment mobilized men from the ethnic Macedonian villages in Mala Prespa and succeeded in liberating territory in Mala Prespa and part of Greek Prespa. This was the first territory liberated by Macedonian partisans during the war. My tatko's 1st cousin still alive living in Bitola his troop liberated Kocani and held it as a stronghold for 40 days fending off oncoming greek pressure. They fought till all of their ammunition was gone due to Tito shutting the borders down. He would say the hills smelled of rotting greek corpses they could of built a wall they did not want to loose either Sloboda Ili Smrt. They had to leave during the night slip through Albania to get back to their HQ somewhere in Macedonia.

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Odysseas Elytis- Our name is our soul

[Makedonetz]

Thessal-niko Coastal

Plemeto da ti go ebam

[julie]

fair call, if you have the information in Greek , that would be a good thing would it not Makedonetz? We lost a lot of written records in the church archives when they were destroyed, so that would be useful, cheers thessal - niko

incidentally, may I ask what part of Greece you and your folks are from?

[Makedonetz]

Julie,

True i gave you my version from family desendent truth, if you have another "truth" in your big bag of greek truth" by all means lets see your side of the story.

[julie]

??????
Thessa is stating he has access to written documentation and archives, I dont know what you are talking about Makedonetz, he is offering to help with stuff and you are angry about it and accusing me of what?

We had churches burnt to the ground, tombstones changed and archives and records destroyed. If Thessa is offering to assist you , why are you attacking me?

[Makedonetz]

Sorry Julie that was supposed to be in qoutes as i agree with you in seeing his side of the story and any information he might had. It was not directed to you in a negative way my apologies bratko.

[thessalo-niki]

incidentally, may I ask what part of Greece you and your folks are from?

My four grandparents are from
(a) Kozani and Kavala (they have lived both in Kozani, Kavala and the small city Eleftheroupoli/Pravi next to Kavala)
(b) Komotini (in Thrace)
(c) Adramytion/ Edremit (in Asia Minor)
(d) Tulcea and Braila, Romania (some of them originally coming from Mykonos). The Greek Community of Romania was mostly of naval art (including my people) went and flourished there, mostly during 18th-19th Century. That branch of my family lived there for at least three generations.
All of them ended up in Thessaloniki during the 1910s, 20s and 30s, where my mother was also born and lives ever since with my father.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[Makedonetz]

So you are a Vlach
The Greek Community of Romania was mostly of naval art (including my people) went and flourished there, mostly during 18th-19th Century. That branch of my family lived there for at least three generations.
All of them ended up in Thessaloniki during the 1910s, 20s and 30s

We are still for a "Pure" Greek.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul[/QUOTE]

[thessalo-niki]

So you are a Vlach
The Greek Community of Romania was mostly of naval art (including my people) went and flourished there, mostly during 18th-19th Century. That branch of my family lived there for at least three generations.
All of them ended up in Thessaloniki during the 1910s, 20s and 30s

We are still for a "Pure" Greek.

No, they were not natives (either Vlachs or Romanians) and did not mix with any Romanians, as far as I know. Greeks, mostly from islands, and especially Corfu, started moving to Danube areas, after a favorable Ottoman-Russian Treaty about Danude trade routes. They flourished there, and started attracting more Greeks and so on. They mostly lived in the cities of Galaci, Tulcea and Braila. The name of my family was Famelis. I DO know that my great-grandmother was from Mykonos and that one branch of them was there for at least three generations.
Actually, I AM pure Greek for about 4 generations, but if we could find ancestry for, let's say, 10 generations, nobody would stand a chance of purity, neither should he.
Also, my ancestry research in Romania has very good perspective.

http://www.um.ase.ro/No13/15.pdf

http://www.comunitateaelenatulcea.ro/homeen.htm

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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[Soldier of Macedon]

No ,the etymology is not Greek.
I think in Macedonian it has something to do with goats -isn't ?

On the other hand for example Negotino,or Skopje do not have an etymology in Macedonia.
I wouldn't make assumptions about their population by the etymology of their name.

Nothing to do with goats. It comes from the word 'kozha' which means 'skin'.

Negotino is an ancient placename, named after an ancient Macedonian king (Antigonus), not an ancient Greek king. Granted, it is a Greek word, but the carrier was not Greek. With such examples you should be claiming placenames like 'Georgetown' as Greek, but logic dictates otherwise. Kozhani on the other hand was without a doubt a Macedonian settlement once, and is located in Macedonia. There is a significant difference in those two examples. Greeks cannot claim placenames as Greek 'settlements' just because words have an etymological meaning in Greek, because if that were the case I could claim half of the Peloponnese for the Macedonians based on several of the placenames, hydronyms, etc there which have a clear relation to the Macedonian language.

Coastal, can you please explain what Antigonus means in Greek? Please break the word down and give us the etymology.

[Rogi]

@ Rogi:

pls contact me / write more about the legend you mentioned

Serdarot,

I have it all detailed and written down from years ago, though it is somewhere at my parents' place. When I next visit, I'll be sure to get it and post it here and in private to you.

[VMRO]

For the town of Kozani, Kanchov -who is Bulgarian and anti-Greek- gives the number of total 6.100 in 1910.

Of these 3.000 were Turks ,2.800 Greeks and 300 Vlachs.
No Slavic speaking population at all.
After 1923 Greek refugees also came.

(we re off topic..u could open a thread abt wwii maybe..or abt the Grandfathers of all )

I knew a Greek from Kozani who was told by his father their were slavaphones as he called them to the north of Kozani, however they were forced out or left...

[Coastal]

I knew a Greek from Kozani who was told by his father their were slavaphones as he called them to the north of Kozani, however they were forced out or left...

He definetely meant Kozani district (nomos) and not Kozani town.
Kozani district extends to Eordaia/Kajlar and the lake Vegoritis/Ostrovo.
Here there were Macedonian speaking villages.
In the rest of Kozani district and inside the town not.

Has anyone ever been in Prespa?